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Re: So, Bloodmages...

Postby Waldo0 on Thu Nov 28, 2013 7:44 pm

I think B2P is a compensation for Bloodmage.

He has low mana, inspite of a magician class. Wizard has -1mana for using any glyphs, Sorcerer has +5mana.

I'm not a big fan of B2P, so I usually convert immediately it. But, when I play Bloodmage, I always check first who is the boss in the dungeon before I convert it. Because, If the boss is slime, wraith or high physical resist boss, the boss fight can be a problem without B2P.

In this point, I have insisted that Vampire should be changed, because he has a huge weakness against Undead. He don't have a innate compensation like Bloodmage. Play Vicious halls of steel with vampire, you will know what I mean.

In short, Bloodmage and Vampire both have ridiculous powers, and they also have own weaknesses.
However, Bloodmage has a innate compensation(B2P) unlike Vampire.

Edit: AND, he is absolutely not inferior than Wizard and Sorcecer, I call him "Bloodmonster." :evil:
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Re: So, Bloodmages...

Postby Wargasm on Thu Nov 28, 2013 8:02 pm

Being fair, Vampire was an absolute monster (no pun intended) before. He's still tricky to play and requires a different strategy than pretty much every other class, and only truly excels with those who've learned to play him. That said, I do wish he had 1/2 regen instead of regen 1, healthwise. 1 regen @ L1/2, 2 @ 3/4, 3 @ 5/6, 4 @ 7/8, 5 @ 9/10. The 1 regen + Exhausted gets really, really crappy sometimes.

That said, even with those drawbacks he can still humiliate some situations other classes can't even survive. Easily the best regen-fighter there is, healthwise. Less so with mana, but so it goes.
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Re: So, Bloodmages...

Postby Lujo on Thu Nov 28, 2013 8:28 pm

Ok, so let's see how this new fancy end screen helps in converying the story. This is an Orc Bloodmage in Demonic Library:

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Open it in a separate picture - and study how little "power" stuff there is. I barely even used Binlor for boons - I picked up the ENDISWAL to open up the secret subdungeon, picked up knockback and might on wall destruction boons for the end fight and used 2 stoneskins. It mattered, yes, but was in no way abuse or even heavy focus.

I also messed up the relocation of Avatar towards the exit (I also never figured out how all the other vets seem to kill every avatar clone, it's beyond me). The preps were... rather underwhelming (ok, dodge + whoopaz and all that), the leveling was iffy Etc. In my defense I was watching a rather tense bo3 broadcast between Aliance and Fnatic (Dota2) and debating murderous homophobes who are trying to mess the constitution of my country up while doing this. So I'm sure the strat is a lot more powerful, and I'm also sure this is not the strongest Bloodmage out there (would be hilarious if it IS but I was too distracted and rusty to notice).

I'd do a JJ Halfling bloodmage run, but I really whish the end screen included boons taken somehow because they tell the story best. This is just so you know a wide array of options is available and viable.

EDIT: And B2P wasn't an afterthought for Bloodmage in this run, I've used it with no exploration left topside quite a lot.
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Re: So, Bloodmages...

Postby Grakor456 on Fri Nov 29, 2013 8:37 am

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Re: So, Bloodmages...

Postby Nurator on Fri Nov 29, 2013 10:01 am

Hmm, what do you think of that: Using B2P gives a buff, that makes the next monster you hit with a normal attack bloody, even if it was bloodbless before. That would be some kind of nice synergy but not gamebreaking powerful.
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Re: So, Bloodmages...

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Re: So, Bloodmages...

Postby Lujo on Fri Nov 29, 2013 3:22 pm

I'm might've spammed this for no good reason so I deleted it :(
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Re: So, Bloodmages...

Postby Sidestepper on Fri Nov 29, 2013 7:56 pm

I'd forgotten about the Orcish Bloodmage of Binlor. Bloodmage benefits immensely from efficiency, and orcish PISORF is as efficient as it gets. I sent one to Vicious Western Forest and cleaned it up. I got Hoarder mostly because I just forgot to convert anything :oops: , didn't have to use a single bloodpool, didn't touch Binlor's boons, and got manaburned THREE TIMES IN A ROW by Getdanafix but still beat him using magic alone.

The big find was an early Alchemist Scroll, which is admittedly huge, but there are lots of swing-y items out there. I wish I remembered to cap the victory screen. I stared out by killing a goat-3, then a goat-4, and then knocked a Goblin-6 into a Serpent-9, killing the first leveling me up so that I could kill the second. From there I just positioned the remaining high level monsters into each other, giving me massive returns for each investment of 4 mana. I cleared the map before confronting the boss and didn't worry about dings at all.
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Re: So, Bloodmages...

Postby Waldo0 on Fri Nov 29, 2013 8:03 pm

I think Grakor456's point is why BM has only one feature the drinking blood, so he wants to explain it as an example of BM's no additional feature for his starting glyph. However, Transmuter is also same, and I will say that B2P has a excellent synergy with BM's Sanguine.

Actually, BM has some extra features(POWER-HUNGRY:60% manapotion effective ,+1mana drinking blood, and boosting Sanguine), but it is also related with Sanguine except the mana potion thing.

I agree with that BM's feature is concentrated in Sanguine, although this is his character concept, and I have thought that BM's Sanguine needs to be nerfed, because it is too good, especially when he meets Dracul. I think Devs can consider a re-balance of BM as the point.

My idea is
INSANE: start with the B2P, and getting an extra mana when you used it.
SANGUINE: restore 40% health and +1 mana (and +temporary damage?)
IMFULL: decrease restored health -10% by Sanguine whenever drinks a blood pool, but it is restored whenever you level up.

Sorry about these poor English expressions, I don't have a time to check now.
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Re: So, Bloodmages...

Postby Grakor456 on Fri Nov 29, 2013 8:34 pm

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