[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 120: preg_filter(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 120: preg_filter(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 120: preg_filter(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 120: preg_filter(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
QCF Design Community • View topic - General-Purpose bragging topic!


General-Purpose bragging topic!

All things Desktop Dungeons

Re: General-Purpose bragging topic!

Postby Lujo on Fri Jan 09, 2015 3:07 am

I almost got pwned by Shifty Brickwork!
User avatar
Lujo
 
Posts: 3793
Joined: Tue Aug 02, 2011 8:47 am

Re: General-Purpose bragging topic!

Postby sitnaltax on Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:07 pm

At long last, I got rainbow borders on everything, including VT and Goatperson. (No, not VGT, sorry. Thank you devs for not giving that dungeon its own border; it would have offended my sense of completeness if I couldn't finish that up)

My very last dungeon was Naga City with a Goatperson. This is a rough dungeon with some interesting quirks for the Goat. On the other Goat Vicious dungeons, you can level carefully and then use your potions and conversions to spike the boss. On NC, that doesn't work, because the TEN bosses just have way too many HP between them. On the other hand, the NC altar layout means you can prep any god and get it normally (except that you are forced to begin worship and don't get a glyph). Then, once you go to the lower level, there's another quirk: the altars aren't real until you pay for them. So you can get a free conversion that keeps all your piety if you only unlock one altar and then ding.

After determining that a basic goat spike wasn't going to work, I tried resistance stacking. My idea here is prep Dragon Shield and Binlor, get Stone Heart and a few Stone Skins, then go downstairs with 100 piety and switch to Drac for Blood Shield. This strategy was good enough to get down 4-5 bosses. It hurts that you don't hit very hard and have no good way of turning mana into damage. I think HALPMEH could make it work, if Drac didn't hate it, but he does.

I then went poking through my locker for a different highly-potent item that could enable a different strategy and hit upon the Avatar Codex. This is the key! The outline of the strategy looks like this:

Prep Avatar Codex, Mystera, Compression (lets you take an extra glyph down), Quest Items (Crystal Ball, Dragon Soul, Witchalok Pendant, Soul Orb), Extra Attack Boosters (not mana--because of the Goat's crippled leveling, mana boosters don't provide much resources. Attack helps you hit harder in those critical times you have to hit.), Black Market (because the extra blackspace in Smuggler's Den is a hindrance with the Goat), Perseverance Badge, dodge/reflex/schaden/WHUPAZ.

Topside: I needed a few things to go my way, so I ended up hitting the restart button early on several times.. I need the monsters you can fight of appropriate level nearby--Gorgons, Dragons, Vampires. HALPMEH has to spawn, although it doesn't have to be convenient. (Maybe I could have done it with PISORF? At any rate, you need one of those two to take on Iron Man and the final boss.) BURNDAYRAZ has to spawn in a relatively helpful place. And I need some combination of helpful items, a good subdungeon, and possibly a good secret subdungeon. The gold secret dungeon is worthless because it costs you food for a resource that's not a problem anyway. On the other hand, the "eight monsters" secret dungeon is fantastic. On my winning run, I didn't find a secret subdungeon, but I did get the Smacklefunky's subdungeon, which is a FANTASTIC boon, providing much-needed food and XP.

At any rate, the idea is to get all the XP possible, while getting Mystic Balance, two shots of Magic (= 15 MP), and as much leftover piety as possible. There's not enough food on the bottom, so I think you have to take down at least 40 food; on my winning run, Smacklefunky helped me carry down about 70, which was more than enough. By converting glyphs you can't take down with you, level 8 should be reachable. Take down three glyphs--BURNDAYRAZ, HALPMEH/PISORF, and something in the third slot. GETINDARE is probably best but on my winning run I just had CYDSTEPP which I never cast.

Lower level: Although you're a Goat, you need to watch your XP carefully, because that affects when you can switch religion. Drac and GG are both typical choices here, but Drac hates HALPMEH. You want GG for Protection, but he doesn't like potions, so try to use those earlyish.

Pactmaker offers two interesting things to do with your extra piety. Scholar's Pact is a cheap health refill when you ding, and Spirit Pact lets you turn any extra food you might have into refills. Taking these early prevents you from getting the 50 free piety from Consensus, though.

As for the bosses: This is one strategy where the Goo Blob is mercifully easy. Jorg is easy as always, as is Iron Man with HALPMEH. The two Mana Burn bosses are trouble without the Soul Orb--which I didn't, on my winning run. Basically you fight them right after another boss so you have just enough mana for one fireball, cast it, drink a mana potion, cast another fireball, etc. Four fireballs drops either one so you have just enough mana potions. The goblin, warlock, meat, and zombie bosses take their familiar giant pile of regen fighting and potions--at least getting enough HP to survive a warlock hit isn't an issue with this strategy.

On my first mostly-successful attempt with this strategy, I made it all the way to the final boss and had him down to 4 Death Protections when I finally ran out of gas. I had 4 mana potions left, but I was worshiping GG (no HALPMEH, but I had converted GG->Drac->back to GG), had no piety to drink them, and had Spirit Pact so I couldn't even convert three of them. I had used dodge/reflex against Iron Man. On my next good attempt I had HALPMEH and that evens out the resources much better, and managed to take him down with a comfortable margin of potions and piety left over.

Anyway, thank you devs for an amazing game, and to all the forumites who provided encouragement, advice, and discussion. I'll probably still play casually, and my money is ready to go for the sequel. :)
User avatar
sitnaltax
 
Posts: 245
Joined: Wed Aug 03, 2011 2:38 pm

Re: General-Purpose bragging topic!

Postby Astral on Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:33 pm

Wonderful job sitnaltax!

Are you going to try VGT goatperson too?
Somebody spilled raspberry juice all over the place!
User avatar
Astral
 
Posts: 562
Joined: Fri Jan 17, 2014 10:56 pm

Re: General-Purpose bragging topic!

Postby sitnaltax on Sat Jan 10, 2015 6:13 pm

User avatar
sitnaltax
 
Posts: 245
Joined: Wed Aug 03, 2011 2:38 pm

Re: General-Purpose bragging topic!

Postby The Tapir on Sun Jan 11, 2015 4:12 am

Excellent job in beating NC with the goatman, as that seems to be an achievement that is far beyond my level of playing for the foreseeable future.

Out of curiosity though, how were the other vicious dungeons with the goatperson? I get the feeling that Namtar would be a huge pain due to the forced exploration to get to each ladder leading to the next level, but which one was the most difficult for you (excluding NC)? Which one was easiest?
The Tapir
 
Posts: 156
Joined: Thu Nov 06, 2014 1:46 am

Re: General-Purpose bragging topic!

Postby sitnaltax on Sun Jan 11, 2015 5:09 am

User avatar
sitnaltax
 
Posts: 245
Joined: Wed Aug 03, 2011 2:38 pm

Re: General-Purpose bragging topic!

Postby Kami on Sun Jan 11, 2015 11:42 am

Dragon isles is not that hard if you scum for wonafyt
Nagacitys trick for goatperson is pactmakers healthrefill it is really really good
Kami
 
Posts: 100
Joined: Sun Jun 08, 2014 3:40 pm

Re: General-Purpose bragging topic!

Postby The Tapir on Sun Jan 11, 2015 9:42 pm

On the topic of the goatperson, though -

I got the initial impression that dungeons with him would be nigh impossible due to the lack of a refill through levelling, and as such put off playing with him until well after I beat HGT. Yet after playing him, I have become more of a fan through his ability to control refills for massive spikes against bosses or switch between gods without effort. I've heard a lot about how he is unpredictable being the biggest downside, but for me it seems interesting as it forces a new style of play in each dungeon based on god selection, which definitely helps break monotony if the game ever seems boring.
The Tapir
 
Posts: 156
Joined: Thu Nov 06, 2014 1:46 am

Re: General-Purpose bragging topic!

Postby Astral on Sun Jan 11, 2015 10:48 pm

Oh yeah, playing with them isn't impossible just takes a different approach. Their CP bonus is absolutely kickass which more than makes up for the lost dings during boss fights. And their on level up conversion is double edged. You can't plan ahead conversions, but you can exploit boons in ways no other can.

I really like their uniqueness too, the only thing that bothers me is that sometimes they can get unwinnable maps on open dungeons (Eastern Tundra, Slime Pits). Happens very rarely, but it's possible to starve before encountering killable monsters.
Somebody spilled raspberry juice all over the place!
User avatar
Astral
 
Posts: 562
Joined: Fri Jan 17, 2014 10:56 pm

Re: General-Purpose bragging topic!

Postby dislekcia on Sun Jan 11, 2015 11:24 pm

User avatar
dislekcia
 
Posts: 2321
Joined: Fri Mar 25, 2011 5:58 pm
Location: Cape Town, South Africa

PreviousNext

Return to Desktop Dungeons

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 23 guests