Extreme East Spoiler and Discussion Thread

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OK, so I went and took an Elf Heretic into Deadman's Pass, for the next quest. I went in Purist and needed Miser for the quest, of course.

The run itself is in the spoiler, and my further thoughts on the Heretic class itself (which I have more insight on now that I've played the class in a more free setting than the class challenges).

Now that I've played the Heretic in a more freeform environment than the silver challenge (which gives the same gods every time), I have a few thoughts.

I picked an Elf without really thinking, because the only god who would have really been amazing for an Elf in the endgame would have been Mystera, and as it turned out, I didn't get her. Really the Heretic already has a pretty big mana bar in the first place, so I think Elf is probably one of the worst choices for the Heretic - Goblins can control when they convert out of a god better, Humans and Dwarves leverage the base damage, Halflings leverage the base health, and Gnomes leverage the big mana bar (which guarantees 6 mana per potion with no extra effort). Orcs also aren't a particularly good match for a Heretic, but I like that race so much I can overlook that.

In terms of gods for the Heretic, it's actually interesting how differently they all play, compared to how they do normally.
My analysis (spoilered because it's long, mostly):


I don't have much to say about the dungeon itself - it's very straightforward, I hate Western Jungle, but it's less boring the Western Jungle and I can't say it wasn't fun taking down that big boss with all those resources. One thing I can tell right away is that certain badges will be a nightmare in this dungeon - I don't fancy trying VT on this with that 120+ damage, 2.5k health monster of a boss. I also scouted the Curious version and it looks like it'll be pretty difficult as well, without all the free resources lying around.

I think I found this dungeon more fun than Ancient Scrapyard mostly because there's no Vicious-style gimmick that the player is completely unprepared for the first time around. Lorewise I liked Ancient Scrapyard, but it's a little mean to send the player into a quest for Ding! MAX when the dungeon has a gimmick like that. On the other hand, this dungeon had less new enemies and less new traits, which I liked about Ancient Scrapyard a lot - the Frozen Corpses didn't really change much for me and I mostly just avoided them since they're pretty bad for leveling.

Anyway, sorry I went a little overboard with the feedback, let me know if I'm being too longwinded or something. Excited for Everfrost peak! Though I can tell I shouldn't be excited...

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Yeah probably you are right, I dont feel comfortable with crusader... momentum can be really strong if you play it right... anyway I need to see some other dungeons, but I will come back

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OK, I cleared part 5 of the riddle first try with a Human Paladin (which I actually took in for scouting, but I lucked out with GG + PM at level 1 so I just went for it).

I was annoyed because I'd just drank my Fortitude and Burn salve after the 9th tower (tower 8 had statue and tower 9 had illusion) and then got hit with another 10 of each corrosion and weakening. Thankfully I still had enough popcorn that the curse itself wasn't an issue.
There are a couple of bugs with the curse of immortality - it prevents you from warshipping a new god, but I was already in GG and it didn't kick me out of him (though it did drop my piety to 0). Because of this I was able to desecrate TT and convert an Antitheist Collar I found in a shop to get a large amount of Protections, which pretty much won me the run.
Also, even though you are Damned, the check to see if you can regenerate mana seems to only be made when you take a hit, which means that before engaging H I was able to regenerate my full mana (which, with HALPMEH, was very worthwhile). Once I hit him I got the Exhausted effect as normal.
I still had a lot of blackspace left, and in fact, coupled with my 65/65 resists and RBS, I could just hit H, heal myself fully with HALPMEH, then go and regenerate my mana (not health) and still be far outstripping H's regeneration.

So all in all, not too difficult of a challenge unless you're out of popcorn, in which case you're dead.
In fact, I think Paladin is a better class to attempt this with than HALPMEH because it's less sensitive to Weakening/Corrosion than Vampire (who gets crippled by Weakening in particular), and it's much less dependent on what monsters you get on the top level (I had 2 level 7 Wraiths and a Goblin and still won with many resources to spare).

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I was low on health/mana after the last tower and accepted the curse upon entering H's tower. I was Damned, and didn't have full health. However, I was NOT exhausted while I was walking through the tower and regenerated mana normally (though I still regenerated health at a rate of 1 per tile). Once I attacked something (I think it was a popcorn), I was Exhausted as normal and didn't regenerate mana without full health anymore. Therefore I think you should add a check to see if you're at full health right when accepting the curse, and if not, apply Exhausted, because currently such a check isn't taking place.