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Re: General-Purpose bragging topic!

Postby sitnaltax on Wed Feb 04, 2015 5:20 am

I've been working my way through the various VGT classes. I mostly use the strategy Astral outlined, with a couple of modifications. First, I take Quest Items instead of Apothecary. So many of the really helpful items are quest items (Midas Gloves, Martyr Wraps, Viper Ward, Soul Orb, Vampiric Blade, Witchalok Pendant, Piercing Wand, Platemail) that I think this is the best way to get good ones. Second, I take only one anti-debuff potion, planning to buy the other. Only two things weaken (Golden Statue, Illusion) and only two corrode (Golden Statue and desecrating EM), and floating a few stacks between those floors isn't a usually a problem. I like these changes, but the strategy is so good that there's plenty of wiggle room, either for prep differences, bad luck, or execution glitches.

Fighter works surprisingly well. The fast, extra dings help a lot, and the ability to see monster locations is handy for saving a bit of blackspace.

Berserker works... unsurprisingly well. Clearly free kills on warlocks and dragons is gonna be good. :)

Warlord is surprisingly weak. CYDSTEPP is too expensive to use a lot, and the 30% damage bonus at low HP is OK at best and has a frustrating antisynergy with GETINDARE.

Thief is really, really good. The extra boosters, extra potions, potent potions, and extra gold really add up. The class is a bit of jack-of-all-trades, so it doesn't get a lot of love in optimized builds, but it works well on VGT.
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Re: General-Purpose bragging topic!

Postby caviar on Wed Feb 04, 2015 7:39 am

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For my Human win, I was lucky enough to score a troll heart at level 1, in addition to this I'm pretty sure I had 4 or 5 absolutions under my belt. First-floor either GG or Taurog helps tremendously, as has already been mentioned countless times. On my winning run I ran into GG first. Tons of free piety for doing stuff you'd be doing anyway (leveling/converting) + cleansing, as sitnaltax mentioned, which is amazing for mitigating the damage from the illusion. Relatively early enlightenment isn't a bad idea at all if your piety is overflowing anyway, letting you hit that sweet 3 fireball threshold which can allow you to get through wraiths without getting manaburned (as an orc/human anyway). The couple of extra points of magic res aren't bad for the late warlocks either ;). I ran into both PM and Taurog pretty late. An important trick to make note of is to save as much popcorn with first strike as possible on the top floor, which will allow you to get a lot of easy hits of resistances once you do run into PM.

As for the boss fight itself - martyr wraps were invaluable. Bysseps would probably also have helped tremendously.
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Re: General-Purpose bragging topic!

Postby Lujo on Wed Feb 04, 2015 8:34 am

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Re: General-Purpose bragging topic!

Postby Astral on Wed Feb 04, 2015 10:01 am

I agree with most of the stuff sitnaltax said, except about Warlords being weak. Yeah it's true that 10 mana for 1 DP is really wasteful with most classes, so you should view the glyph as Drac piety.
But. Warlords use it differently and they can save resources with it too. On my Warlord run I was lucky enough to get both wards so I never ditched Patches, but only Soul Orb was necessary. My only good glyph was Gettindare, and never noticed any antisynergy.
I generally fought like this: killed 1st target with resists and Gettindare, but instead of healing up I killed my next guy with DPs and Gettindare and benefited from +30% attack the entire time. Explored to heal both bars, for the 3rd target I used resists again. And so on. It saved tremendous blackspace for me.
Most of the time I received mana from Patches, which would annoy everyone but a Warlord.
I moved to MA very early but Taurog could have worked as well (you cast stuff rarely but in big mana chunks), ignored MB but something so meaningless like Magic made me stronger.
No enemy was hard. Warlocks went down in pairs so I didn't spend health on them, Meatmen hit weak enough to be regenfought with ~50% HP, since I was casting Getindare a lot and had huge damage barely got weakend/corroded. Cydstep let me ignore curses.
Funniest thing is for the 9th sub I joined TT and my damage was so high I could 2 shot things and generated piety under him :D
And there's nothing as scary as a dodging highly poisonous Warlord. It was one of the classes I could have won with without sanguine (I took it only for the damage). You can imagine how much blackpace I saved by the countless things I only found during/after the boss fight:
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I'd like to mention other really good VGT classes:
Assassin - you have situational first strike so you can combat manaburn/poison better. Keep the Apheelsik for lategame and never regenfight with it early, but late you will be able to pull stunts like posion snake heavily, poison manaburn guy lightly, kill the mana burner, heal up and kill the still poisoned snake - ding. If you take a trip to Binlor, you can also hurt bad guys with indirect knockback, keep them poisoned while you only punch a Meatman. It's also nice to be able to remove curses even with a Platemail on.
Wizard - Supreme utility due to being able to keep every glyph. You could even scum for your preferred glyphs with him, I find it unneeded. Doesn't care about Taurog's max mana removal much since he's very effective with every glyph.
Half-dragon: you spot targets easier, and knocking guys into walls does really high damage. Should start with Binlor instead of Tauror, Endiswal helps a lot in positoning and Pisorf can place guys if you lack Weytwut. Dual damage means nothing can soak your hits well. KB counters blinkers and removes 2 DPs/hit. Horatio will be saved fro your KB, but HD is the guy who can always strip resistances with Stone Form.
Transmuter and Crusader for obvious reasons.

Yes Lujo, you can prep a god in VGT. I do it with Vampires too :D
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Re: General-Purpose bragging topic!

Postby Lujo on Wed Feb 04, 2015 1:43 pm

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Re: General-Purpose bragging topic!

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Re: General-Purpose bragging topic!

Postby Astral on Wed Feb 04, 2015 2:09 pm

Yes it did. On my first Vampire VT run I lost because I had to sacrifice some really good bloodcows who were standing on the stairs. The cowardly trait gives me one more tool to move them away. It even lets me use Endiswal to save some popcorn.
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Re: General-Purpose bragging topic!

Postby Lujo on Wed Feb 04, 2015 2:12 pm

Also, add tinkers to the list of stuff that's strong on VGT (if you know what you're doing ofc). Used to be kings of it back when the place had a secret subdungeon topside and the Trisword was brokenly good. Still - tons of gold or tons of extra CP, Translocation seal and having 3 compression seals means they get to do stuff other people never do because other people can't buy stuff and don't have inventory space.

Also, Cydstepp is far from bad on VGT, as it lets you get hits in on 2 guys at the same time (like right before you ding). It's just a bit difficult to work it into the usualy thight runs.
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Re: General-Purpose bragging topic!

Postby caviar on Fri Feb 06, 2015 8:20 am

Some more VT halfling assassin of EM shenanigans:

http://i.imgur.com/Hw5CWt6.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/wQp7Rch.jpg

Parched halfling in VT VS. Considering that patches only gave me 4% resists I may as well not have brought him along to get hoarder (seeing as the teddy and B2P were the only things I converted). Subdungeon was the bloody altar thing, which I completely wasted thinking it'd give me 5% sanguine (I guess if you already have sanguine it just heals you fully - and as I already was at full health when I took it it did nothing :? ). Dracul is, as everyone already knows, bloody no pun intended strong. Took 10 vineforms and 7 greenbloods this time around, before dipping to dracul.


http://i.imgur.com/9BI1NgZ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/8dWhHZo.jpg

I expected DI to be the easier run of the two because of ye olde swift-handing guards, the chokepoints on the map were a bit of trouble in combination with EM (the titan guitar helped with that, pushing equal-level popcorn away before petrifying). I played very sloppily, for the record; didn't go into Taurog for resists despite having the opportunity to easily do so inbetween hopping to MA, didn't notice there was a fine sword in a shop while I had both the money and the inventory space to use it for the firstborn fight, didn't save popcorn to clear curses, etc.. Just goes to show how much wiggle room there is to the EM assassin. Could've probably been parched+miser+hoarder if I really tried. I didn't expect it when I started experimenting, but it turns out that this little fella is a beast.
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Re: General-Purpose bragging topic!

Postby Lujo on Fri Feb 06, 2015 8:32 am

He he he, halflings are such little bossess ^^

If you wanna test a strat or test/challenge yourself, don't bother so much with badges but try to mix up your preps. It's a helluva strat I'm deffinitelly gonna enjoy trying out (being a huge halfling shennanigans affictionado) but I'm curious if it works without the guitar (which is a silly ole item). If you manage to make that work, you'll feel like a complete king (and judging by your reports you probably could ^^).
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