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Re: Holy War

Postby Darvin on Sat Nov 19, 2011 6:09 pm

I found the Crusader in a subdungeon in Venture Cave. You need to acquire 100 piety to unlock him once you find him. I found Jehora Jeheyu in a subdungeon in shifting passages (bring a WEYTWUT glyph and enough mana to use it once...)
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Re: Holy War

Postby The Avatar on Sat Nov 19, 2011 6:58 pm

Did they remove magician's moon strike, terror slice, berserker blade, etc.
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Re: Holy War

Postby Darvin on Sat Nov 19, 2011 7:34 pm

Whoops, the Warlord glyph problem was my fault. Fixed that and the spelling error (which totally wasn't my fault) - silent update to new version incoming.

Jehora Jeheyu's boons are still taking all your potions instead of just one.
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Re: Holy War

Postby q 3 on Sat Nov 19, 2011 7:38 pm

Crusaders are apparently unable to get immunity to Death Gaze. Not a big deal, I suppose, but it was a bit disappointing to find it didn't work after going to the trouble of figuring out how to do it. Also, taking a hit from a Bandit (poison + mana burn) always gets poison immunity, rather than mana burn (or both...). Are poison, mana burn, weaken and corrode the only possible immunities, then? I'm tempted to say they should just have all four immunities by default; I honestly doubt it would be overpowered, certainly not compared with Transmuters (or most of the other top tier classes, for that matter).

Crusaders do get their one "extra" altar on the main floor of the Tower. Considering that their other two abilities are nearly worthless in that dungeon, though, I doubt they'll be clearing it anytime soon.

Assassins can actually do pretty decently with JJ. Get to level 10 with zero kills, convert to Tikki Tooki (or Taurog or Dracul) and kill everything for massive piety gain, maybe finish by converting to Glowing Guardian for Humility. Rogues can probably do something similar, and get their dodge up to 40% at the same time. (It's actually not all that different from using a Mana Leak centered approach.) Could be a decent strategy for Crusaders, too, to keep Momentum going. Add a Blue Bead and you can probably streamroll just about every normal or hard dungeon, but you'll still tend to run out of gas too quickly in any of the vicious dungeons.

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Re: Holy War

Postby Darvin on Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:11 pm

I'm tempted to say they should just have all four immunities by default; I honestly doubt it would be overpowered, certainly not compared with Transmuters (or most of the other top tier classes, for that matter).

I'd agree; the Crusader wasn't a very strong class in alpha when it had immunity to both mana burn and poison, and we've got even more ways to cure these afflictions now.

Right now, the Crusader belongs in the bottom rung of classes. He basically needs a strength potion as a prep in order to use his attack build-up effectively, his immunity is really not a big deal in most dungeons, and the ability to get one extra alter is really his only selling point. Like the Monk and Fighter, I'd like to see him buffed.
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Re: Holy War

Postby The Avatar on Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:13 pm

How about he gets a base damage or 2 instead of 10% attack boost? In addition to everything immunity.
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Re: Holy War

Postby FDru on Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:45 pm

I'd like to see him lose 50% of his current build-up rather than all of it when taking damage. That might make up for the loss of the 3x strike on death (which was the only reason I beat some dungeons with him at all in the alpha :lol: ).
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Re: Holy War

Postby Darvin on Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:56 pm

Most of the hard and vicious dungeons have bosses with a lot more staying power than in alpha, so his build-up is considerably weaker against them. I'm not sure if halfing it is the right approach, either, but it's definitely much better than what we have now.
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Re: Holy War

Postby gjaustin on Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:10 pm

q 3 wrote:Assassins can actually do pretty decently with JJ. Get to level 10 with zero kills, convert to Tikki Tooki (or Taurog or Dracul) and kill everything for massive piety gain, maybe finish by converting to Glowing Guardian for Humility. Rogues can probably do something similar, and get their dodge up to 40% at the same time. (It's actually not all that different from using a Mana Leak centered approach.) Could be a decent strategy for Crusaders, too, to keep Momentum going. Add a Blue Bead and you can probably streamroll just about every normal or hard dungeon, but you'll still tend to run out of gas too quickly in any of the vicious dungeons.


Have you found the Amulet of Yendor yet? It's +50xp on use! I think that plus Tikki Tooki could make an Assassin run that's just silly.
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Re: Holy War

Postby The Avatar on Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:39 pm

I dunno, you would only use it to level up mid boss. Using it first thing wastes too much bonus exp.
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