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Re: Taurog, Binlor, and Tiki Tooki

Postby The Avatar on Sun Nov 27, 2011 5:24 am

The problem is that then you'll need to have the agnostics collar to desecrate if we keep pumping them.

I'm really interested in the Pactmaker, and they really need to improve on his pacts. (-1% damage per spell, what a scam!!!!!!).

Be warned, you cannot convert from this version of the Pactmaker. All piety gain comes from pacts only. If they implement this, they need to pump most of the pacts.

I suggest making him/her a worshipable god in addition to forcing a pact upon worship...

Comitment: For every 20 piety gained by your pact, The Pactmaker shall bless you by granting a random bonus (patches effects). 30 piety. Those who serve longer are rewarded.

A Change of Heart: Change your pact at the cost of a random penalty (patches effects). 10 piety, repeatable. Under certain circumstances, The Pactmaker can be persuaded.

Eternal Binding: Take another pact. Free, repeatable. Committing yourself further could be beneficial...

Permanance: Gain 4 hp per level. Your choice to stay with The Pactmaker is reflected in your staying power in battles to come. 100 piety.

Power: Gain +2 fireball damage per level. Your true commitment has pleased The Pactmaker so much, The Pactmaker has blessed you with its own power. 100 piety.

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Re: Taurog, Binlor, and Tiki Tooki

Postby JonahHollow on Sun Nov 27, 2011 5:28 am

I like the idea that pactmaker is a support god, but I'd just like to see some of his pacts reworked.
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Re: Taurog, Binlor, and Tiki Tooki

Postby The Avatar on Sun Nov 27, 2011 5:41 am

Can you desecrate the Pactmaker?

Also, the reason I suggested the above post, the current Pactmaker will always either be too good for gods like GG and ok for Binlor or terrible for Binlor and ok for GG.

(GG and Binlor are just 2 examples. One stingy, the other not)
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Re: Taurog, Binlor, and Tiki Tooki

Postby Darvin on Sun Nov 27, 2011 5:55 am

The problem is that then you'll need to have the agnostics collar to desecrate if we keep pumping them.

I think we're already there, for most intents and purposes, when we talk about Mystera or Glowing Guardian. It is rare anyone can afford their penalties.

I think Binlor is on the weak side currently, mostly because there are many characters that can ignore his penalty. Dracul, on the other hand, is about right.


I'm really interested in the Pactmaker, and they really need to improve on his pacts. (-1% damage per spell, what a scam!!!!!!).

The problem is that if Pactmaker is to stay the same way he currently is, then Taurog, Binlor, Tikki Tooki and Earthmother need complete overhauls and Mystera needs substantial revision. Right now, he has no purpose along-side the piety farm gods who already have more piety than you could possibly need.


Can you desecrate the Pactmaker?

Nope, though honestly the Warrior pact (+4 piety, -1 max hit points) is way better than desecrating Dracul's alter in most cases, so I don't see a need for a desecration effect (it'd basically just be a 7th pact with a 1-time effect rather than something that triggers repeatedly)
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Re: Taurog, Binlor, and Tiki Tooki

Postby The Avatar on Sun Nov 27, 2011 5:59 am

That's true, I was just wondering.

So what do you propose they do? Change the Pactmaker or the others.

Also, unless the Pactmaker becomes a real god, you should always have a 50 or so percent chance of getting the altar in addition to the other 3.
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Re: Taurog, Binlor, and Tiki Tooki

Postby Crawly McCrawlsa on Sun Nov 27, 2011 7:08 am

The Avatar wrote:Also, unless the Pactmaker becomes a real god, you should always have a 50 or so percent chance of getting the altar in addition to the other 3.

Along the lines of that... What about having the pactmaker as a demigod? He (and maybe a few others to be developed) always have 1 demigod alter spawn in a dungeon, but it helps the player aquire the benefits of their deity. Either through increasing piety gain (pactmaker), a demigod to reduce piety costs, a demigod to increase the benefits of certain boons, etc. Some sort of smaller god that you pay physically or mentally in order to attain benefits, rather than doing deeds/feats of strength like the current gods. Well, that's just a thought that came to mind.
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Re: Taurog, Binlor, and Tiki Tooki

Postby JonahHollow on Sun Nov 27, 2011 7:51 am

reworking alot of things and adding in demi gods to the piety system sounds like a very interesting idea.
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Re: Taurog, Binlor, and Tiki Tooki

Postby The Avatar on Sun Nov 27, 2011 2:08 pm

Cool idea! What would the other ones be????
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Re: Taurog, Binlor, and Tiki Tooki

Postby Darvin on Sun Nov 27, 2011 7:33 pm

Cool idea! What would the other ones be????

Hmmm... I'm not sure how much content the devs are looking to put into desktop dungeons, specifically in regards to the pantheon.

I actually think that in terms of alters, 9 is already a little crowded and it's pretty easy to get a crappy deal. If you were going down the "demigod" route, I'd actually say the best course would probably be to demote two of the existing deities to demigods so we'd have 6 deities and 3 demigods.

I'd prefer not to go down this road. I'd rather efforts be made to change the existing gods to be more accessible. Right now there are far, far too many situations where I end up playing the atheist, or only begin worship in the 11th hour for a one-time protection from GG or blood swell from Dracul.
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Re: Taurog, Binlor, and Tiki Tooki

Postby The Avatar on Sun Nov 27, 2011 7:56 pm

That's very true Darvin...
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