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Goblins...?

Postby pRaz on Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:17 pm

Considering you're not likely to unlock Goblins until well into the game, their Conversion bonus seems particularly clunky, since it's really only very useful in extreme fringe situations or in the early part of easier dungeons to get a quick advantage. Isn't there something better (and more in-character) for them? Like maybe...

- 120 CP for 5% chance of Poison.
- 120 CP for 5% dodge chance.
- 80 CP to remove, in order of priority, Poison, Mana Burn, Weakness, Corrosion (they regenerate like miniature trolls?)

Or modify the existing ability to be 120 CP for an extra +1 XP per kill, stacking (probably too powerful, maybe 200 CP instead)

I love the portraits for the lil' guys, but I never feel like using one unless I'm challenging myself. :(
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Re: Goblins...?

Postby The Avatar on Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:22 pm

Goblins are grubby little thieves who want lots of gold. +10 gold and an extra shop per 150(?) Conversion points. This would be great for purist runs (If anyone even does them) and you can get lots more items.
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Re: Goblins...?

Postby Gorgon on Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:32 pm

The suggestions are nice. Maybe they could just lower their conversion rate to 45 points or something like this.

pRaz wrote:Or modify the existing ability to be 120 CP for an extra +1 XP per kill, stacking (probably too powerful, maybe 200 CP instead)


This is also a good suggestion, something like 160 conversion points would be fair. If you get 480 conversion, you could get +3 XP per kill and easily get to lvl 10. It wouldn't be unbalanced, a lvl 10 goblin isn't much stronger than a lvl 8 human.

I was going to start a topic about race rebalancing, but you were faster than me :D
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Re: Goblins...?

Postby Gorgon on Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:35 pm

Some other races need to be rebalanced. Maybe something like:

Human: 85 CP
Elf: 60 CP
Dwarf: 70 CP

Gnome, Halfling and Orc stay the same.
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Re: Goblins...?

Postby The Avatar on Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:37 pm

HUMAN 85! I could have an incredible amount of power then. Elves is unnecessary, but welcome, because spellcasters are rather weak these days. Dwarves... NO! That is too powerful. At level 10, an absolved dwarf with high resist could be so powerful!
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Re: Goblins...?

Postby Gorgon on Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:53 pm

The Avatar wrote:Dwarves... NO! That is too powerful. At level 10, an absolved dwarf with high resist could be so powerful!


These suggestions are unnecessary, but humans are a little underpowered when compared to orcs and dwarves have a problem with regeneration.

The only race that really needs balancing is the goblin. I enjoy using them because of the extra challenge.
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Re: Goblins...?

Postby The Avatar on Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:21 am

Hmm... I think stacking exp boost is too god if you stack it beyond 3-4, but then quickly becomes irrelevant.
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Re: Goblins...?

Postby Hammerfan on Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:45 am

Gorgon wrote:These suggestions are unnecessary, but humans are a little underpowered when compared to orcs and dwarves have a problem with regeneration.



The problem is not with humans per say, the probelm is with the Existing items and the fact that Atack Power-Ups now give you atack bonus instead of base damage. Currently there are only 5 items that actually increase base damage:
-The Fine Sword
-The Trisword (wich requires potions to be useful)
-The Spoon (wich is not all that usefull anyway)
-The Skull Picker (wich is a boon from a god generaly seen as not vey good)
-The Preparation Sword (wich isnt all that good to be honest)

So humans dont really have synergy with the items, and end up getting ridiculous ammounts of damage bonus, but no base damage to use it on. On the other hand, Orcs have insane synergy with everything, making them pretty much the go-to race when you want normal attack damage.
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Re: Goblins...?

Postby The Avatar on Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:48 am

Humans are better unless you are going to be able to convert a lot! Plus humans synergize more with base than orcs do, because the base damage is doubled, per say.
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Re: Goblins...?

Postby TigerKnee on Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:43 am

Humans are okay... in that they are strong.

Some people think they're weaker than Orcs, and that MAY be true, but that's sort of like the Sorcerer/Wizard problem in Dungeons and Dragons 3e. Yes, the Sorcerer is weaker than the Wizard, but he is still stronger than just about most other class.

In the same way, the Humans at 100 CP is still better than Goblin, Elf, etc...

A lowered Elf CP rate would be nice. With all those new abilities made purely to scroll over Fireball users for some reason, magic needs a help.

I don't know if lowering Dwarf CP will help. The big problem is that Dwarves love % Health restoration other than Health Potions (because otherwise you would use Halflings) and we just lost the most powerful of that effect (Paladin's old restore 50% from killing undead) while GG's percentage healing is nerfed too.

So unless we get more of those effects I think Dwarves won't see much use.

As for Goblin, they suffer from the same problem as Fighters - the game has changed around them even though it looks the same. Getting EXP by killing higher level monsters is extremely easy in Beta compared to Alpha, so you don't really want to turbo-boost yourself early because you want those tasty tasty exp from killing high level monsters.
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