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A couple unlock questions for veterans (and one for devs)

Postby pRaz on Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:54 pm

I only caved and bought into the beta last month (I know, I'm a horrible person for waiting so long) and I also restarted my kingdom recently to test the balances as they work out through the whole game. I've got a few questions that aren't mentioned on the wiki:

- Which dungeons are most likely to have Orcs? Two versions ago, I found them fairly early in the game (before going past the first level of dungeons in each compass direction). In my current game, I've found Goblins and the Tinker but not Orcs, and I'm a lot further in the game than I was last time. Can/should I just pop into Venture Cave, find the subdungeon, and leave if it's not the Orc?

- How do you unlock Shifting Passages? The Bazaar quest opened up immediately after I did the "buy all items" quest, but I have no dungeon.

For the devs:

Any plans on more class-specific questlines like The Blood-Soaked Blade and Way of the Open Fist?

edit: Oh, forgot one - is it normal that I haven't seen Binlor or the Earthmother at all yet? And what about Pactmaker - is he the altar in the wide-open desert subdungeon that grants "Alchemist's Pact" and such? So there's no way to actually choose which Pact you make with him?
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Re: A couple unlock questions for veterans (and one for devs

Postby TigerKnee on Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:01 pm

pRaz wrote:- How do you unlock Shifting Passages? The Bazaar quest opened up immediately after I did the "buy all items" quest, but I have no dungeon.


Do the dungeons in the north.

And what about Pactmaker - is he the altar in the wide-open desert subdungeon that grants "Alchemist's Pact" and such? So there's no way to actually choose which Pact you make with him?


That's part of the Pactmaker's sidequest yes. You need to find his sub-dungeon multiple times (I think... 3 times?) before his altar is available
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Re: A couple unlock questions for veterans (and one for devs

Postby Gorgon on Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:27 pm

pRaz wrote:Can/should I just pop into Venture Cave, find the subdungeon, and leave if it's not the Orc?


Yes, just keep looking for them and you will find them. It took me at least 15 tries to find goblins. Using the tinker makes it much easier now.

I have no idea which dungeons are likely to have orcs. It needs testing. I will create a new account and verify it later.
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Re: A couple unlock questions for veterans (and one for devs

Postby Alweth on Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:32 pm

Well, while we're on the subject. I've unlocked 4 Vicious dungeons, including Gaan-Telet. I've unlocked all the races I have 5 quests left to do: Minecraft, Ice and Fury, Complicated Tasks pt. 5, Sally Forth, and Dark Souls.

- I still have not unlocked or seen Binlor. Is this normal?

- I found the Pactmaker in the desert a few times, and have not seen his altar or his subdungeon since. I've seen dozens of altars and no Pactmaker altar. Am I doing something wrong?

- I have not seen or unlocked any special classes. Is this normal?
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Re: A couple unlock questions for veterans (and one for devs

Postby Gorgon on Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:08 pm

Alweth wrote:- I still have not unlocked or seen Binlor. Is this normal?


Binlor appears in a subdungeon with lots of walls and a ENDISWALL glyph. You need to mine through them to find him.

- I found the Pactmaker in the desert a few times, and have not seen his altar or his subdungeon since. I've seen dozens of altars and no Pactmaker altar. Am I doing something wrong?


You need to touch his altar and he will give you a random pact. Do this 3 times and his altar will start appearing normally.

- I have not seen or unlocked any special classes. Is this normal?


All special classes are unlocked in subdungeons (except the vampire). The tinker is found in a secret subdungeon, the transmuter is found in a normal subdungeon and gives you a quest. The crusader is found in a normal subdungeon and will not join you unless you talk to him with 100 piety.
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Re: A couple unlock questions for veterans (and one for devs

Postby Alweth on Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:31 pm

Gorgon wrote:Binlor appears in a subdungeon with lots of walls and a ENDISWALL glyph. You need to mine through them to find him.


Thanks. I think I know the subdungeon. I guess I just didn't mine it enough. Is it the one with one pile of gold and a thing of water?

You need to touch his altar and he will give you a random pact. Do this 3 times and his altar will start appearing normally.


Every time I saw it I touched it, but I have never seen his altar, I've probably seen all the altars in over a dozen runs since he stopped appearing.

All special classes are unlocked in subdungeons (except the vampire). The tinker is found in a secret subdungeon, the transmuter is found in a normal subdungeon and gives you a quest. The crusader is found in a normal subdungeon and will not join you unless you talk to him with 100 piety.


I have not seen the transmuter or the crusader, even though I always check the subdungeon. There is one subdungeon I sometimes get that requires Endiswal, but I don't think I've ever opened it, because I either don't have endiswal or I converted it.
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Re: A couple unlock questions for veterans (and one for devs

Postby Gorgon on Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:52 pm

Thanks. I think I know the subdungeon. I guess I just didn't mine it enough. Is it the one with one pile of gold and a thing of water?


Yep.
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Re: A couple unlock questions for veterans (and one for devs

Postby pRaz on Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:59 pm

Alweth wrote:Every time I saw it I touched it, but I have never seen his altar, I've probably seen all the altars in over a dozen runs since he stopped appearing.


Is it possible that you need to actually receive a Pact 3 times for him to show up later? If you don't have any Piety when you touch his altar, it just says "You feel different... maybe" and you don't get any pact. That might explain why both of us haven't seen him yet, because I think I've only actually gotten a Pact twice.
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Re: A couple unlock questions for veterans (and one for devs

Postby The Avatar on Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:05 pm

Finding the transmuter unlocks his questline, and the crusader, when you find him, only joins if you have 100 piety.
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