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How can I unlock gods/races?

Postby Normalguy on Thu Dec 29, 2011 2:05 am

I've gotten through the game enough to where I have beaten a few vicious dungeons and have some of the others unlocked, yet I haven't even gotten half the gods. The only gods I have unlocked are Dracul, Tiki, Taurog, and Glowing Guardian. How do I unlock the others? Also I've only ran into goblins so far, is there a specific thing I should do for orcs?
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Re: How can I unlock gods/races?

Postby Fran on Tue Jan 03, 2012 2:20 pm

Altough I have unlocked all gods, same situation here about the orc.

Usually, the gods and new classes / races have randomly spawned subdungeons you have to visit, just the same way you unlocked the other gods. Using a tinker (if you have unlocked him) you can see the number of subdungeons and repeatly restart until you get a random additional subdungeon which you can then check for an unlockable.

The question i'd want to know as well is if their appearence is locked to certain dungeons?
I restartet several dungeons several times this way with no sign of the orc or the transmuter this far, I don't really want to restart a dungeon anymore if i can't be sure that the subdungeon appears there.
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Re: How can I unlock gods/races?

Postby The Avatar on Tue Jan 03, 2012 8:19 pm

Binlor and Orc west, JJ north, EM east, and Pactmaker anywhere.
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Re: How can I unlock gods/races?

Postby q 3 on Tue Jan 03, 2012 8:53 pm

I'm trying a minimal unlock playthrough and dear god Pactmaker is obnoxious. He shows up everywhere, and his subdungeon is worthless when you're not trying to unlock him - not even a single unrevealed tile.
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Re: How can I unlock gods/races?

Postby Darvin on Wed Jan 04, 2012 4:15 am

Back when Pactmaker was first introduced, most of his pacts were atrociously bad and were basically game-enders. On anything but the easiest dungeons you basically had to retire after touching his alter it was so nasty...

Still, it's not like Ying/Yang is much better.
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Re: How can I unlock gods/races?

Postby Fran on Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:41 pm

Thank you, immediatly got Transmuter and Orc after going to the west :)
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Re: How can I unlock gods/races?

Postby gjaustin on Wed Jan 04, 2012 6:50 pm

q 3 wrote:I'm trying a minimal unlock playthrough and dear god Pactmaker is obnoxious. He shows up everywhere, and his subdungeon is worthless when you're not trying to unlock him - not even a single unrevealed tile.


Wait, who are you unlocking instead of Pactmaker? Between Consensus and Body Pact, I always rejoice when I get him!


If I had to unlock only 3 deities, I'd probably do GG, Pactmaker, and a piety farm diety - either Earthmother, Taurog, or Binlor.
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Re: How can I unlock gods/races?

Postby q 3 on Wed Jan 04, 2012 7:08 pm

That sounds about right, although with infinite time to spend tweaking them I'd be tempted to make a separate profile for every conceivable strategy: JJ, Mystera, and Tikki Tooki for fireball power; GG, Taurog, and Pactmaker for resistance; GG, Binlor, and Tikki Tooki for CYDSTEPP; etc. Then I could also selectively unlock items as well, and perhaps even skip some of the tier 3 classes to avoid their glyphs, which should nearly eliminate scumming - at the cost of having to maintain half a dozen save files, of course. Not even arguably worth it until the game is less in flux than it is at the moment.

Anyway, I have GG and Dracul unlocked already and was hoping to find Binlor, but with the loss of Blood Power, Dracul is indeed a lot less useful than Pactmaker would be. Pactmaker's pacts are fairly useless with just GG and Dracul since they're so stingy with piety, but given that Binlor refuses to appear I might still go with Pactmaker just for the free +50 piety in every dungeon. Incidentally, I'm starting to think that it's impossible to get Binlor (or Earthmother or JJ) without unlocking Taurog, Tikki Tooki, and/or Mystera; none of them have made a single appearance.
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Re: How can I unlock gods/races?

Postby gjaustin on Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:14 pm

Minor nitpick in your post. I wouldn't recommend Tikki Tooki for a CYDSTEPP setup. I assume you meant JJ instead, since TT harshly punishes use of death protection.

And yeah, Dracul makes sense as a choice. If I was unlocking 4 (so that the Crusade didn't feel left out), he'd be my fourth. I'd just hate to have to have to choose between Pactmaker or no Health Potions.
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Re: How can I unlock gods/races?

Postby The Avatar on Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:15 pm

If you convert in to TT grab poison and convert out, it is DEFINITELY worth it...
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