Vampire can farm Ying/Yang for limitless Piety

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Vampire can farm Ying/Yang for limitless Piety

Postby Darvin on Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:22 pm

I had an interesting one today: vampires can endlessly gain piety with Dracul and Binlor by repeatedly killing Ying/Yang. Due to lifesteal, you will never actually run out of hit points, so you can just keep fighting without end. Normally killing no-XP enemies grants no piety, but I noticed that Binlor actually grants 5 for killing Ying/Yang, while Dracul would grant piety for life-steal and bloodpool drinking. I'd imagine you could probably work in BLUDTUPOWA and also farm Mystera in this way, and if you had a poison attack you could farm Tikki Tooki too.

Fortunately this cannot be chained with the Pactmaker's Warrior's Pact for infinite health (I haven't checked, but as non-XP granting enemies Ying/Yang shouldn't trigger it) but it's still an easy way to get 100 piety with this class from this subdungeon.
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Re: Vampire can farm Ying/Yang for limitless Piety

Postby The Avatar on Tue Jan 10, 2012 10:53 pm

But can a Vamp really keep killing them? This subdungeon is probably in for a remake/removal, so that won't be a problem long.
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Re: Vampire can farm Ying/Yang for limitless Piety

Postby Darvin on Tue Jan 10, 2012 11:18 pm

Ying/Yang will each hit you once per battle. You need to nullify that incoming damage, and you get two hits with your lifesteal plus your blood pool. If you're a high-level character, that's child's play. You don't want to attempt this early, but I was walking in as a level 10 and was most amused by the combo.

I'd agree that Ying/Yang should be redone. Such a waste of a subdungeon that takes way too many resources to complete and offers only about 15 tiles worth of regen...
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Re: Vampire can farm Ying/Yang for limitless Piety

Postby TigerKnee on Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:17 am

Finally, a use for this useless subdungeon!
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Re: Vampire can farm Ying/Yang for limitless Piety

Postby Crawly McCrawlsa on Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:41 am

TigerKnee wrote:Finally, a use for this useless subdungeon!

... only if you're already nearly max level, and probably don't need the piety.
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Re: Vampire can farm Ying/Yang for limitless Piety

Postby Darvin on Wed Jan 11, 2012 7:16 am

... only if you're already nearly max level, and probably don't need the piety.

Indeed; I had already killed everything else on the level and thought "what the hell" and worshipped Binlor in order get ENDISWAL and access the subdungeon. Vampire with BLUDTUPOWA is nice, I will add. There is a true spellcasting monster in this guy waiting to come out, but he needs that glyph...

That said, I think I may have a way to actually abuse this, but I'll need to try to see if it's possible. Using the monster whistle, I can position a monster inside the Ying/Yang dungeon near the exit. I can then farm piety as I described in my original post, but rather than killing Ying/Yang to exit properly I instead use WEYTWUT on the monster I created near the exit in order leave. I can return later with WEYTWUT again in order to rack up 100 more piety, repeating until I've run out of boons completely. You will need BLUDTUPOWA to regenerate mana to both teleport in and out.

Of course, that takes a ridiculous amount of scumming (need ENDISWAL or Binlor, WEYTWUT, BLUDTUPOWA, and the Ying/Yang subdungeon) but it would be worth it to finally get to put that worthless subdungeon to use. Plus the only deities that can gain piety from this process are Binlor, Dracul, and Jehora, so it's not like you're likely to have a wealth of conversion options to rack up obscene combos.
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Re: Vampire can farm Ying/Yang for limitless Piety

Postby TigerKnee on Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:44 am

My statement wasn't being completely serious but you know, a tiny amount of use is probably still better than "no use"
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Re: Vampire can farm Ying/Yang for limitless Piety

Postby The Avatar on Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:51 am

Yeah, but so much worse that pulling the potion/goo blob one.
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Re: Vampire can farm Ying/Yang for limitless Piety

Postby Darvin on Wed Jan 11, 2012 7:13 pm

Yeah, the subdungeons that give you extra potions are great, and the zombie trap is awesome because of all the exploration space and potential XP available. Ying/Yang by comparison is assured to consume resources for anything but the most powerful adventurer, has basically no exploration tiles available, and the reward is a relatively modest amount of gold. At very minimum, it needs a better reward (a random elite item might be nice; Amulet of Yendor, Orb of Zot, Keg of Mana... those would be worth blowing a few resources to get).
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Re: Vampire can farm Ying/Yang for limitless Piety

Postby The Avatar on Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:18 pm

Perhaps a special unique item that you can't locker.
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