QCF Design Community

I've seen many posters comment on how Vicious dungeons enter an entire new game mode where instead of playing DD you're setting up and scumming the perfect puzzle. The common reason stated for this is so that vicious mode is set out to see how far IMBA classes can go. Do you believe we'll eventually receive end-game items/micro that will make vicious mode dungeons more manageable for the average player or will they be toned down if the developers feel comfortable with balance?

Normalguy... are you normalguy from BLC?

Haha I would never have suspected you as a DD player too. I played with you a looong time back, close to beta. (not by this name obviously) You just hosted a NA tourney right? I read it on the GK forums. I was plannin on playin, but then my gf required my attention... grrr. In any case, welcome to the DD forums haha.

As to the actual topic, I believe the main strategies/micro of the game is pretty set in stone. One of the biggest difficulties in Vicious dungeons is not the actual scumming, that just takes a little time, it's coming up with that key solution that takes a "good" character to that level of IMBA where he can take on 9 bosses in a row and succeed. Or, that key combination that really accents a character in just the right way to take advantage of what is provided in the dungeon, then repeat until you achieve victory.

Now, the things that make scumming so prevalent in vicious dungeons is the fact that 2 glyphs are much stronger than the others (halpmeh and cydstepp), and that certain items are Extremely effective for certain classes or the dungeon in general (triling, agnostics collar, etc), and that 2 of the gods have way stronger long term benefits than the others (dracul and GG).

The question is... will elements of the game be buffed to get on this "vicious" quality level? or will they bring these elements into line with the other items/gods/etc and then bring down the difficulty of these dungeons to be tolerable.
As for that, only the devs know. Balance is always the most difficult thing to create in any game. (lmao at the old grim/rav)

The real problem with Binlor is that he destroys too many walls, so he'll become obsolete after a certain number of boons.

I like the idea of having a double-edged god like Mystera, but she is too punishing. You have to use 220 piety on "Magic" to get 10 MP, and all monsters will get 30% defenses. Lowering enemy magic resistance by 30% costs 120 piety, while Binlor can lower both magic and physical resistance by 30% with only 60 piety.

The Earthmother is not so bad, but her boon effects are a little weak. Maybe changing "Vine Form" to 5+2 piety and "Green Blood" to "50 piety: Adds 3 levels of corrosion, but allows you to corrode monsters" would fix her.

Earthmother needs one super capstone boon and she would be okay. Her biggest advantage is getting her early means a lot of extra exp on most levels.

Binlor's Stone Skin buff boon still needs to be changed. His boon that instantly provides 50% stone skin is still worthless because it's too expensive. I rather prefer the old First Strike boon (which isn't that good either)

At least he has one good boon now though (minus resistances boon), in the past he had NO good boons... well, I thought First Strike was good actually.