Sidestepper's Newbie-Friendly Annotated Playthroughs

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Re: Sidestepper's Newbie-Friendly Annotated Playthroughs

Postby gjaustin on Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:01 am

I think it's a lot less "useless" now that every Hard dungeon has a random boss. It reduces the consequences of getting a boss like Tormented One that some classes have a lot of trouble with.

It also has interesting interactions with Vicious dungeons, like Demonic Library or Naga City that have a bunch of bosses. We could fill a thread with discussion on who to use it on in Naga City!

My only complaint about it is that it makes balancing Purist a bit more difficult.
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Re: Sidestepper's Newbie-Friendly Annotated Playthroughs

Postby The Avatar on Wed Feb 29, 2012 3:36 am

Yeah, purist is a harsh badge, but that's why we have Vamps. You know what's worse? Hoarder. I hate that medal with all my heart. (Although it tool me 1 try to get in Demonic Library due to a 5 mp CYDSTEPP.)

Actually, the whupaz question is quite interesting on Demonic Library. For my wins with every other class in the game (excluding Gorgon and Half-Dragon, I had different strategies for them) I abused a 5 mp fireball, fireballing the avatar to death. The problem was the 444 hp counter fireball guy. I had to whupaz him for classes that had trouble. (monks for example. You have a damage penalty, and he does magic damage.)
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Re: Sidestepper's Newbie-Friendly Annotated Playthroughs

Postby gjaustin on Wed Feb 29, 2012 4:11 am

Yep, he was the one I was thinking of as the alternate Whupaz choice.
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Re: Sidestepper's Newbie-Friendly Annotated Playthroughs

Postby Darvin on Wed Feb 29, 2012 7:22 am

Hoarder is nasty because you're not only forgoing conversion points, but you also can't clear out inventory space!

Warmonger would be worse except that we can now effectively prepare a Taurog Berserker, so I'd agree that Hoarder is currently the most difficult badge to attain.
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Re: Sidestepper's Newbie-Friendly Annotated Playthroughs

Postby Lujo on Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:50 am

Yeah, whoopaz can't be termed useless as long as there are more than one boss in a dungeon. The problem I had with it was more that it's a no-brainer prep that changed your chances of completing any run with anything. I can't take it into account for testing stuff, because you start off without it, and if it singlehandedly changes dungeons from "undoable whatsoever" to "doable", I find it a silly way to justify things being "undoable" in the first place. And since we can't talk numbers, is there a way to talk about tweaking it somehow? Seems hella impactfull...
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Re: Sidestepper's Newbie-Friendly Annotated Playthroughs

Postby The Avatar on Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:24 pm

Actually, every dungeon is doable without it. I have a purist on all 6 Vicious. But you'd make whupaz have a penalty. Maybe reduce your hp to 1 automatically? Or maybe reduce your stats? Subtratct 10 exp?
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Re: Sidestepper's Newbie-Friendly Annotated Playthroughs

Postby Lujo on Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:20 pm

Not necessarily a penalty, maybe just reduce the numbers to make it have less of an impact. Say, if the current numbers are y/x then i'd make it y/(x+1), and see how that works out.

Or any sort of change that would help me get mileage out of it even if I forget I have it in my inventory which I did 4 out of 5 times I actually prepped it. -.-'
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Re: Sidestepper's Newbie-Friendly Annotated Playthroughs

Postby Hammerfan on Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:04 pm

The Avatar wrote:Actually, every dungeon is doable without it. I have a purist on all 6 Vicious. But you'd make whupaz have a penalty. Maybe reduce your hp to 1 automatically? Or maybe reduce your stats? Subtratct 10 exp?


Im sorry, but as long as the requirements to unlock the monster classes are tied to Vicious dungeons, I cant accept any nerfs to Whupaz, with the exeption of making it more expensive to prepare.
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Postby Sidestepper on Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:10 pm

We should probably keep the off topic stuff to a minimum in this thread. With multiple people contributing games, it's going to be pretty chaotic as is.
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Re: Sidestepper's Newbie-Friendly Annotated Playthroughs

Postby Darvin on Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:59 pm

Perhaps we should migrate these runs to the Wiki, and then just link to them from the original post?
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