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Postby Fran on Sun Feb 12, 2012 6:48 pm

I'm just not able to beat any vicious dungeons. The only one I was ever able to beat was Dragon Isle with a Berserker.

Normaly, this wouldn't bother me much as I'm just playing casually when I've got a little free time, but I'd really like to play with the monster races. So after searching the forum for strategies on the Vicious Dungeons that unlock them and failing a couple of times because the game has changed quite a bit since they've been introduced, I'd like to ask for a guide on those unlock-vicious dungeons.

I would be happy to see a list of three classes per dungeon together with race, locker item, gods and general strategy to have a relative easy time. I'm just too dumb to figure that out of my own, so please make it as detailed as possible and foolproof.
I also don't know which vicious dungeon is the easiest at the moment but I haven't had much success at either of them.

Thanks in advance!
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Re: Vicious Unlock Help

Postby Darvin on Sun Feb 12, 2012 7:31 pm

Dragon Isles
The Taurog Berserker is your most reliable standby, but other options do exist: Gnomish followers of Jehora Jeheyu. The assassin and warlord are both excellent selections against the Matron. Now that she has magic resistance, the Assassin (who will use a fireball-based strategy) may have additional difficulty, but the Warlord's CYDSTEPP'ing should be unaffected.

Also remember that there is the LEMMISI/WEYTWUT combo. Using LEMMISI in the final subdungeon, you can reveal the Matron's guards. Use WEYTWUT to swap places with the last one of her guards, allowing you to bypass them entirely. The upshot of this is that you avoid fighting six level 9 opponents with nasty status ailments. The downside is that you'll need to pay a total of 16 mana for a round trip to the surface if you need to visit shops or alters.


Naga City
It's all about the deities on the lower floor, bouncing from one to the next and desecrating altars to keep your piety up. You'll need to find a good way to defeat every single type of enemy here, and you'll need to keep BURNDAYRAZ to knock through the final boss's death protection. Caster characters and CYDSTEPP characters are going to have significant trouble with Frank and SMM. Tank characters and CYDSTEPP'ers are going to have trouble with Wall of Goo. Pure casters will have trouble with Ironman, and Tanks will have trouble with Tomithy (and will need to find a way to deal with Bleaty, who isn't very difficult once you can survive a single hit).

The Gnomish Warlord is a solid pick here. The Orc Rogue also works, but you'll need to boost health to get your HP up to very high levels. The Orc Rogue plays best as a hybrid CYDSTEPP'er/tank, and will require careful boon planning to get both resistances and hit points (most likely some combination of GG, JJ, Pactmaker, and Dracul on the surface). You could also try a caster hybrid; I find thieves work quite well even with the potion nerf. Boost your resistances to deal with some enemies and use your spellcasting powers against others.


Vicious Halls of Steel
Good luck buddy.
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Re: Vicious Unlock Help

Postby Gorgon on Sun Feb 12, 2012 7:43 pm

Darvin wrote:Vicious Halls of Steel
Good luck buddy.


I'm lucky I got the Vampire when his mission was at The Crypt...

So far, I've only done VHoS with a Bear Mace Sorcerer and the old Mana Leak + HALPMEH Wizard (don't remember which race).
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Re: Vicious Unlock Help

Postby Fran on Sun Feb 12, 2012 7:56 pm

Ok, I see that there is not much sense in trying Naga City with my current knowledge, moreover Halls of Steel.
So lets focus on Dragon Isle for the time being.

I already beat it with the Berserker (therefore I have the dragon shield) so there is the assassin and the warlord, both JJ Gnome.
Now what preperations would you advise to use at the fighters guild and the mage tower?
As far as i understood, you push the warlords MP to 25 such that a single mana potion equals one use of cydstep?
Any map specific things to be careful about until beating the firstborn?

Thanks for the tips Darwin, I appreciate them.
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Re: Vicious Unlock Help

Postby gjaustin on Sun Feb 12, 2012 7:59 pm

Gorgon wrote:
Darvin wrote:Vicious Halls of Steel
Good luck buddy.


I'm lucky I got the Vampire when his mission was at The Crypt...

So far, I've only done VHoS with a Bear Mace Sorcerer and the old Mana Leak + HALPMEH Wizard (don't remember which race).


I beat the new VHoS with:

Elf Sorcerer w/ Crystal Ball and finding BLUDPOWA and JJ
Elf Wizard w/ Crystal Ball and finding BLUDPOWA and JJ
Elf Assassin w/ Crystal Ball and finding BLUDPOWA and JJ

Also, make sure to prep Smuggler's Den and Apothecary. I only took the Knockback Mace on the Sorcerer, since you're not meleeing with the other classes. The item you want to find the most in a shop is Fireheart. Any other purchases should be on potions (Schadenfreude) or items that help you level faster (e.g. Fine Sword). Battlemage Ring is probably really good too, but I don't have it unlocked in my profile.

Notice a theme? Basically abuse Burning until you get to level 7, then use your health/mana pool to start on Indomitable. Then use Chaos Avatar to get a free level up and full heal. Then abuse BLUDPOWA to slowly whittle away the Death Protections. One very nice trick is that if he's at 1 health and has burning, killing a monster will cause the burning to damage him and remove a level of death protection! You should be able to beat Indomitable with minimal potion use, as long as you didn't use too much space exploring. If you have a full load of potions, BlahBlah shouldn't be too bad.


Additional Class Specific Notes:

Sorcerer - Every so often your healing will get you high enough to take a hit from Indomitable. Do it! If you have the knockback prep, you'll take out 3 levels of death protection! (Melee, Mana Shield, Knockback). Try to knock him back into a monster so that he won't go anywhere.

Assassin - Get 3 stacks of Corrosion on Indomitable. This way you can start BLUDPOWA fireballing him at level 7 (28 fireball damage + 3 corrosion = 30 regen + 1 remaining). This lets you use Swift Hands to work your way up to 8 while fighting him. Then use Chaos Avatar to go to 9 or even 10 if you're on a roll!

Wizard - The hardest of three, due to lack of both Mana Shield+Healing and Swift Hands. Still easier than any other class though (even Bloodmage).
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Re: Vicious Unlock Help

Postby gjaustin on Sun Feb 12, 2012 8:06 pm

Fran wrote:Ok, I see that there is not much sense in trying Naga City with my current knowledge, moreover Halls of Steel.
So lets focus on Dragon Isle for the time being.

I already beat it with the Berserker (therefore I have the dragon shield) so there is the assassin and the warlord, both JJ Gnome.
Now what preperations would you advise to use at the fighters guild and the mage tower?
As far as i understood, you push the warlords MP to 25 such that a single mana potion equals one use of cydstep?
Any map specific things to be careful about until beating the firstborn?

Thanks for the tips Darwin, I appreciate them.


A JJ Orc Rogue with Namtar's Ward can probably also beat Dragon Isles. Obviously that involves beating another Vicious Dungeon, but Namtar is one of the easier Vicious Dungeons. Halfling Priest is a solid choice for Namtar that's hard to mess up.

And since you already have Dragon Shield, a Halfling Paladin with Dragon Shield should be able to beat Dragon Isles as well. Your best diety choice is Taurog + Pactmaker. Either one should probably be enough, but both is just silly! Despite the nerf, the item you most want to find is Tri-sword.
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Re: Vicious Unlock Help

Postby Abraxas on Sun Feb 12, 2012 8:10 pm

I've actually been able to clear the vicious Halls of Steel on my first/second try with each of the three mage classes, with essentially no scumming. The new fireball just works very well there with Mystera (well worth the church penalty for prepping her altar).

The strategy is pretty straightforward, grab Flames and Mana Leak, bring the Crystal Ball and fireball everything. The apothecary preparation also helps a lot.
The same strategy also worked pretty well with the Naga City, though I did need to scum for Bludtopowa with the sorcerer.

The Dragon Isles are actually the hardest dungeon for me, and I only managed to get my berserker victory so far. I almost got it with an assassin, so I'm sure that's feasible, but I always seem to do too little damage with a JJ gnome warlord to get anywhere.
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Re: Vicious Unlock Help

Postby Fran on Sun Feb 12, 2012 8:27 pm

Abraxas wrote:The Dragon Isles are actually the hardest dungeon for me, and I only managed to get my berserker victory so far. I almost got it with an assassin, so I'm sure that's feasible, but I always seem to do too little damage with a JJ gnome warlord to get anywhere.


That's exactly how I feel about the gnome warlord. Just tried it and couldn't even get near the Firstborn.
Has the Dragonborn received any buffs in the last couple updates? I kind of feel like he had much less HP when I beat him as a Berserker. Funny thing to say, at the time I beat him with a berserker, I almost managed to win with the assassin but ultimatively couldn't (had I had whuppaz unlocked by this point, I would have beat the matron). I unlocked whuppaz some updates later and have never been able to even defeat the firstborn since.
Will try the other suggestions for dragon isle now before I start on the other dungeons (maybe namtar for the rod, I was almost able to beat this one time too).
Thanks for the suggestions!
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Re: Vicious Unlock Help

Postby Darvin on Sun Feb 12, 2012 9:12 pm

Now that Avatar's Symbol is nerfed, there really isn't a great Warlord locker item. Totally your pick. For other preps, I'd take Patches, an extra alter (you cannot afford to lose an inventory slot here, so prepping JJ is out of the question), HP->Attack conversion (as you've noticed, you need all the damage you can get), and apothacary. Remember that you're not just using JJ for boost mana, but also to boost health! This allows the Warlord to survive hits from more powerful enemies. With his CYDSTEPP'ing antics, even a single extra blow is a huge bonus.

JJ Gnome Warlord works wonders against Namtar and the Avatar as well, I might add. Remember not to neglect patches. You do need to prep a burn cure potion just in case, but the potential benefit is well worth it. JJ will also usually give you piety for converting him, which is a nice boost when it comes time to free that inventory slot.
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Re: Vicious Unlock Help

Postby The Avatar on Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:01 pm

Vicious HoS is super easy. Prep Yendor, find the Indomitable and BLUDTUPOWA ASAP, and just fireball him til he dies. Use all monster and potion resources on Blah Blah. Works with Assassin and Wizard, although Bloodmage is the easiest cause he starts with BLUDTUPOWA.
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