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Re: Silent Update?

Postby The Avatar on Sat Mar 31, 2012 3:16 pm

That's perfectly reasonable. Stack 20 burning for 24 damage fireballs, then use potions.
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Re: Silent Update?

Postby Lujo on Sat Mar 31, 2012 3:26 pm

Yes. Totaly reasonable, exactly the word i'd use to describe it :D

Irony aside, it IS reasonable to assume if you were given the tools we were that we should use them. But we have proved once more - you can't expect the average beta tester to figure out that something was overbuffed or broken very easily. :D

Cause giving vanilla burndayraz the Fire Heart effect was just the tiny bit of push it needed to be... viable :D
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Re: Silent Update?

Postby Darvin on Sat Mar 31, 2012 8:46 pm

What does stacking schadenfreude do? I've never had a single schadenfreude not fill up my mana.

Not stacking them against a single attack, but using them repeatedly. Four schadenfreudes is four full mana restores. As an elf, you're looking at as much as 100 MP restored for a single blitz of spellcasting. Very few bosses outside of vicious difficulty can withstand this.

Cause giving vanilla burndayraz the Fire Heart effect was just the tiny bit of push it needed to be... viable

Yeah, kinda pushed it into the realm of the abusive. To be fair, BURNDAYRAZ did need something and it is long overdue for its time in the spotlight.

I honestly felt Fire Heart was even more overpowered than what we have now, it's just that since you don't need to prep a locker item anymore the strategy is more obvious.
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Re: Silent Update?

Postby Joist on Sat Mar 31, 2012 9:49 pm

Darvin wrote:
What does stacking schadenfreude do? I've never had a single schadenfreude not fill up my mana.

Not stacking them against a single attack, but using them repeatedly. Four schadenfreudes is four full mana restores. As an elf, you're looking at as much as 100 MP restored for a single blitz of spellcasting. Very few bosses outside of vicious difficulty can withstand this.


Gotcha, I misunderstood what you meant by "stacking".
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Re: Silent Update?

Postby Lujo on Sun Apr 01, 2012 11:38 am

Cause giving vanilla burndayraz the Fire Heart effect was just the tiny bit of push it needed to be... viable

Yeah, kinda pushed it into the realm of the abusive. To be fair, BURNDAYRAZ did need something and it is long overdue for its time in the spotlight.

I honestly felt Fire Heart was even more overpowered than what we have now, it's just that since you don't need to prep a locker item anymore the strategy is more obvious.


I agree that it wasn't on par with some other strats, it's just that I had to restrain myself from being as snarky as I could and post: "Cool, let's buff everything to this powerlevel!" right below a screenshot of a lvl 1 win which used only one glyph (which with wizard you get right away), and interacted with one object on the map :)
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Re: Silent Update?

Postby Joist on Sun Apr 01, 2012 11:48 am

Lujo wrote:
Cause giving vanilla burndayraz the Fire Heart effect was just the tiny bit of push it needed to be... viable

Yeah, kinda pushed it into the realm of the abusive. To be fair, BURNDAYRAZ did need something and it is long overdue for its time in the spotlight.

I honestly felt Fire Heart was even more overpowered than what we have now, it's just that since you don't need to prep a locker item anymore the strategy is more obvious.


I agree that it wasn't on par with some other strats, it's just that I had to restrain myself from being as snarky as I could and post: "Cool, let's buff everything to this powerlevel!" right below a screenshot of a lvl 1 win which used only one glyph (which with wizard you get right away), and interacted with one object on the map :)


To be fair Lujo, I did have to scum for the right boss and make sure mobs weren't blocking the way to shops/altars.

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Re: Silent Update?

Postby The Avatar on Sun Apr 01, 2012 12:24 pm

That's much worse. Oh god, that is scary. What's next, purist Dragon Isles?
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Re: Silent Update?

Postby Joist on Sun Apr 01, 2012 12:30 pm

The Avatar wrote:That's much worse. Oh god, that is scary. What's next, purist Dragon Isles?


Funny you should mention it, I was thinking it may be possible. You'd need a ridiculous amount of stuff to crop up though. MA, fireball and the first boss close to spawn. ENDISWALL to get around mobs blocking your passages and WEYTWUT + LEMMISEE to get to matron. Maybe the piercing wand too since matron has 50% magic resist, right?

Fire + poison does seem super broken though. Just prep MA and take the resist hit since it's only 70 piety to completely offset the resist and you can farm that in no time at all. Very little scumming, I think it'll be my goto strat for the hoarder badges.

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Re: Silent Update?

Postby Darvin on Sun Apr 01, 2012 5:54 pm

If you can get through Frank like this, you can get through anyone. Immune to poison, generally good HP, and a real bruiser in terms of damage output. I'd not be surprised if you could beat every hard-difficulty level like this, and it's really demonstrating how OP burning strats are. Now, I doubt you could pull this off on Dragon Isles, but it is possible. Namtar's Lair is a big maybe, but it'll require a way to get past his fireball retaliation (can't remember which form), and I sincerely doubt it'll work on Demonic Library (though I notice in the other thread you came very close; I'm impressed). Naga City is straight out.
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Re: Silent Update?

Postby Lujo on Sun Apr 01, 2012 6:33 pm

In other words we are agreed - it's fun and everything else should be buffed to this level? :mrgreen:
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