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Postby Darvin on Mon Mar 19, 2012 7:10 pm

I'm talking in the sense of a stand-alone PC version.

While the web-version is something, I'd like to have an offline option. My internet connection at home is haphazard. There are some days where I'll have outages for hours at a time, so a single-player game that requires internet connection to play is completely unacceptable for me. If it's free-to-play or a beta test I'll accept that, but for the final release of a product I've paid for I expect it to run stand-alone on my PC.
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Re: Back from GDC!

Postby gjaustin on Mon Mar 19, 2012 7:25 pm

Steam will allow it run stand-alone on PC without an Internet connection.

You're asking for DRM free, which is a completely different thing. DRM sucks, but unfortunately ethics seems in short supply among computer users, which ruins it for those of us who actually buy the games we play.
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Re: Back from GDC!

Postby Darvin on Mon Mar 19, 2012 7:40 pm

Yes, we are talking about two different things, I'm aware.

You're asking for DRM free, which is a completely different thing. DRM sucks, but unfortunately ethics seems in short supply among computer users, which ruins it for those of us who actually buy the games we play.

That might be a rational argument, if DRM was actually effective at stopping piracy. As it stands, DRM is nothing but collateral damage to legitimate consumers.
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Re: Back from GDC!

Postby gjaustin on Mon Mar 19, 2012 7:55 pm

That's a... complicated argument that I'd rather not get into.
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Re: Back from GDC!

Postby The Avatar on Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:01 pm

I assume a offline option will be available for computers as well as iOS.
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Re: Back from GDC!

Postby Darvin on Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:22 pm

That's a... complicated argument that I'd rather not get into.

Agreed; there's no need to open that can of worms and drag this topic with it.
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Re: Back from GDC!

Postby dislekcia on Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:13 am

Yes, the web version won't go away. We're not using Steam for DRM, we're using it for patching, support and visibility. Selling the game ourselves is exhausting and takes up tons of time in dealing with PayPal queries, etc. Steam gets you more sales as well as handling those sales for you - freeing up your time to work on more content or other games. That's a big deal.

I can't say exactly how the offline build is going to play with Steam for sure, seeing as we haven't started working on that yet, but I appreciate how Binding of Isaac still lets me play the game without starting up Steam by just running the executable. Great for when I'm traveling. That said, Steam isn't actually a DRM platform - it allows developers to implement their own DRM as needed - generally I'm not too upset with a once-off "are you logged in or have you logged in in the past?" check, that Steam does. Not the end of the world.
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Re: Back from GDC!

Postby Kuranes on Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:34 am

Darvin wrote:Had to cancel the last three games I pre-ordered (or intended to pre-order) because they elected to be Steam exclusive.

Reason I don't patronize Valve or use Steam is because their DRM policies are outright draconian.


Exactly. I'd love to see the game as a standalone DRM-free release, but I figured it less than likely with all the pirating.
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Re: Back from GDC!

Postby Darvin on Thu Mar 22, 2012 3:29 am

Selling the game ourselves is exhausting and takes up tons of time in dealing with PayPal queries, etc. Steam gets you more sales as well as handling those sales for you - freeing up your time to work on more content or other games. That's a big deal.

I certainly understand why you're doing it. The fact remains that when I made my pre-order there was no indication that the stand-alone version would be exclusively distributed through Steam.
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Re: Back from GDC!

Postby thegabbert on Fri Mar 23, 2012 1:37 am

I'm not an expert, but I see a lot of games sold through online stores other than steam that say the game will "register with steam", so isn't it an option to have the game downloaded and installed separately but still able to be hooked into steam for achievements and the like if you decide to do so?
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