The Art of Negotiation

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Re: The Art of Negotiation

Postby The Avatar on Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:19 pm

Pretty much! Wow, that's a super great strat! I don't know about Gaan-Telet, the resist down bandits and goos.
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Re: The Art of Negotiation

Postby Joist on Wed Apr 25, 2012 10:22 pm

Nurator wrote:i tried that out and it worked perfectly fine until the bandit with 50% resist down came... after him I had no chance at all... what did you do against him?


A Quicksilver (dodge) and a reflex (first strike) potion in that order will give you 2 free hits on Timothy. If you are worried about not doing enough damage take Stone Fist from Binlor and bash other bosses into Timothy.

Darvin wrote:Worship Tikki Tooki and select his "Reflex" boon to get his two potions. Drink the Quicksilver Potion and attack another monster until the combat prediction reads "dodge", then drink the Reflex potion. You will hit the bandit, then you will dodge his attack, then the reflex potion will kick in and you get a second attack for free.


I don't think the reflex potion triggers unless you actually get hit. I use the Quicksilver first and then use the first strike part of the reflex potion. It's only two free hits if you know you'll kill him with your second attack but it's enough.

I also didn't go TT. I just prepped them. First time I haven't needed to go TT in Naga City.

The Avatar wrote:Pretty much! Wow, that's a super great strat! I don't know about Gaan-Telet, the resist down bandits and goos.


Heh, thanks.
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Re: The Art of Negotiation

Postby Joist on Thu Apr 26, 2012 1:37 am

Humility and Absolution now cost 15 piety, so you need to desecrate an altar to get out of GG now. That's annoying.
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Re: The Art of Negotiation

Postby The Avatar on Thu Apr 26, 2012 2:01 am

Well, at least it makes more sense.
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Re: The Art of Negotiation

Postby Darvin on Thu Apr 26, 2012 3:45 am

Humility and Absolution now cost 15 piety, so you need to desecrate an altar to get out of GG now. That's annoying.

But the piety gain from leveling up has been increased and the piety loss from killing higher-level monsters has been decreased. If you get in the door before level 4 (after that you have a problem) then it's actually even easier to get out now because the old geezer will actually generate his own piety.
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Re: The Art of Negotiation

Postby Joist on Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:05 am

Maybe, I haven't even tried playing GG long term. It was a shock at the time because I just wanted to dip in and out (I was using the tri-sword, so lots of pots) and I had to desecrate Binlor to get out (-40% attack, ouch).
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Re: The Art of Negotiation

Postby Darvin on Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:35 am

Taurog is -40% attack, Binlor strips you of all your resists.

The Glowing Guardian's now has stacking piety gain from level-ups. First level-up while worshipping him grants 3 piety, second grants 6, third grants 9, and so on. If you get in the door really early then the stacking benefit picks up and will easily pay for your piety loss (though drinking potions to fuel a trisword is definitely a disqualifier). Because you can usually level up off of a single higher-level kill when you're a low-level character, and the piety loss has now been normalized to a much lower -2 regardless of the level difference, low-level characters can handle his punishments no problem.

Unfortunately, GG remains a total wasteland for level 4-7 characters. His piety gain will never take off, the sweet spot for his early-game boons has passed but has yet to arrive for his late-game boons, and piety loss from killing higher-level monsters will be at its most penalizing at this stage (since you need to kill many to level-up).
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Re: The Art of Negotiation

Postby Joist on Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:01 am

Ack, yes I meant Taurog. I had to desecrate Taurog to convert back to Binlor to take some Stone Hearts (I was in the Rock Garden).

Interesting about the piety. I'll have to try him out. He may be a good prep god now (although +20 conversion is pretty harsh).
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Re: The Art of Negotiation

Postby Joist on Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:57 am

This guy charges exorbitant prices in this new economy. So I destroyed his home.

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Re: The Art of Negotiation

Postby The Avatar on Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:58 am

I know, what a jerk. He doesn't even let me explore it. Don't worry, that guy deserved it. ;)

On the subject of GG, don't you only get -2 for higher level kills?
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