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Re: Seal balance

Postby Lujo on Fri May 11, 2012 9:04 am

I just had a flash of briliance, or rather, I believe I just had a flash of briliance.

How about they buff it back up but make it a - Lvl 3 Alch prep :)

That way you can't get both it and the seal, and you can still prep an item on top of it.

Tell me where I'm wrong.
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Re: Seal balance

Postby The Avatar on Fri May 11, 2012 11:39 am

It's not a seal. Perhaps if they changed it to a purple seal worth 300 points, then yes.

Also, it removes even the slightest incentive to take the conversion seal. Other than the two issues, it's GREAT!
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Re: Seal balance

Postby Lujo on Fri May 11, 2012 1:30 pm

Make it count as a seal, that's easy to fix.

And as for the second thing - make the scroll really cheap, and the stone really expensive to prep and bob's your uncle. That'd also fix the "do I prep this or not issue", but it aught to be really expensive.
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Re: Seal balance

Postby gjaustin on Fri May 11, 2012 2:05 pm

Lujo wrote:I just had a flash of briliance, or rather, I believe I just had a flash of briliance.

How about they buff it back up but make it a - Lvl 3 Alch prep :)

That way you can't get both it and the seal, and you can still prep an item on top of it.

Tell me where I'm wrong.


That would be a pretty massive buff across the board. It would be as much of a no brainer as prepping Whupaz.
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Re: Seal balance

Postby Darvin on Fri May 11, 2012 4:58 pm

1) how does the elf extra conversion benefits work in relation to the burndayraz "sweet spots" for pure casters? As in, the math.

Conveniently, every 5 MP is one extra fireball (presuming Mystic Balance) and 2 extra MP from potions. So a sensation stone (4 MP) is just short of one "notch" in that regard, and we can almost completely ignore thresholds in this analysis.

Given that conversion-heavy elves have significant regen issues, I'm actually not concerned with this combo at all.


The way it is/was was really counter intuitive...

Maybe add to its description text "This would look great in my locker!"


That would be a pretty massive buff across the board. It would be as much of a no brainer as prepping Whupaz.

It would have to stay at its current 150 value, and it'd be fairly well-balanced against the translocation scroll. That would still require a complete rework on the other seals, though...
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Re: Seal balance

Postby Lujo on Fri May 11, 2012 6:29 pm

True about the other scrolls, but I'd say that's a good place to put it, and a fine thing to put in the alch lvl3 slot...
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Re: Seal balance

Postby The Avatar on Fri May 11, 2012 6:48 pm

Well, that settles it. It definitely should work that way.
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Re: Seal balance

Postby Lujo on Fri May 11, 2012 11:02 pm

Ok, so if the devs decide it's a fine idea and implement it, yadda, yadda, fingers crossed that they do, they should make it a crminaly expensive prep to emulate the "relockering" effect. Or not considering the new economy.

What about the other scrolls, where are we with all that?
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Re: Seal balance

Postby Darvin on Fri May 11, 2012 11:10 pm

Well, if Sensation Stone becomes an alchemist prep then the conversion seal is utterly redundant and should be axed. Transmutation Seal would probably be fine if we got a stack of them rather than a single one for the prep.
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Re: Seal balance

Postby The Avatar on Sat May 12, 2012 12:06 am

How about 3, costing 11 apiece?
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