New EM

[Lujo]

I'm really liking the new EM for casters. Greenblood is like a few more built in burning counts, and the "regen 10" mana thing on clearance can be safely hit for about 30-50 mana? Anyone use her on on vicious? Thoughts?

I've used her with platemail users for stacking vine form and entanglement, worked fine I think.

And I've just had a purist Havendale Bridge Elf Wizard run (I actually swapped TO EM from Mysteria (only took a point of mana and Glyph mana conversion boon). EM fueled my fireballing the Troll, the Wraith and Zin Kibaru to death. I think I level catapulted only once, to boot.

How's everybody feeling the new EM?

Related - something fall_ark said made me think I was a doofus. The new XP for wallling up slowed enemies might be good with Entanglement. I only just became aware of this.

Also related - Martyr wraps, if they are global, should be really nice with a caster EM worshiper. Moar quasi-burining goodness!

Unrelated - I used WONNAFYT to pump up early mysteria piety, and eat up slowed popcorn tight away to make blood spots for future massive EM piety boost. Was fun.

[fall_ark]

[Lujo]

Entanglement works on plants? o.O

[The Avatar]

Can you get the one exp bonus from petrifying a plant? That would be awesome.

Anyways, EM should also be great for a Paladin, as you can use Vine Form early and then clearance to use HALPMEH.


As for Vicious: Namtar would be fairly easy with a convert off Binlor, same thing for Demonlic Library, don't know about the new Naga City, and it probably wouldn't work in Dragon Isles.

[fall_ark]

[The Avatar]

That was the only way to win before with a Pally. Just reck all of the plants when she spawns them and get rewards in bursts.

[Nandrew]

[fall_ark]

[Nandrew]

[Lujo]

I never really had a problem with EM to begin with. It was just the power disparity with other gods that was the problem, and I considered gods wich others found baseline to be beyond broken. I always liked the join up, get 100 piety by pressing a button for something you'd have done anyway, grab some nice little perks and convert out.

I even considered her for my third unlock during my TT/GG roflcopter run. Just for stability.

EM getting great caster support and all other fancy perks is just gravy. I do have a couple of thoughts, having played her a bunch recently (sub vicious only, though). Honestly, everytime a prep/get a hold of Platemail and see EM I think "why not".

1) Greenblood and Clearance make her really, really great for casters, especially post-Mysteria, and doubly especialy (:D) if you can snag +1 mana, mystic balance and mana on glyph conversion from Mysteria before opting out. I don't know if this fits in with flavour, but what the hell, it's fun, and I hope it turns out not to be gamebreaking.

2) Her benefits for melee are somewhat wonky, especially considering how good her payoff is to casters these days. I LOVE the synergy between Greenblood and Clearance (the fact that there is any), but Vine form doesn't seem to combo off anything, and if there was a way to have it combo off Entanglement it would make her great (possibly too usefull, like TT is, but WTH).


See, what I do most runs these days (apart roflstomping with Binlor, but that got boring) is prep/buy/steal platemail, and go EM or Mysteria EM. If I go caster EM, I don't really need anything else, but if I go melle EM I feel like I need the Platemail to get mileage out of Vine Form.

Suggestion: Up the cost of Entanglement (and make it incremental), because... really, it's a silly powerfull effect as it is, and making it enabled by walling up a plant is practical as you can spam it, but if you added something more to it that benefited melee, I wouldn't feel like I need an expensive experimental item prep if I wanted to go EM with melee.

Boy, am I redundant