Chaos Theory

[The Avatar]

Can you at least take the 5% bonus off Unstoppable Fury? Or off all the equipment but not unstoppable fury? That would help considerably, seeing as you can get +20% from it alone.

[Lujo]

Yeah, the whole Monk + Taurog business needs just a little nerf like that. 20% is enough, 5% per Unstoppable Rage is a bit too much, and taking it away would just put Taurog back to where he was when he had the +20% boots boon.

And as for the in-dungeon stuff that might need attention, the only things I'm not too sure about are the first strike shennanigans (might just need a thread), this little monk kink and that's about it... Price of Cydstepp?

And the shop and item categories are a macro / kingdom development thing anyway and will get their own post...

[Blovski]

I dunno, the Monkrog isn't innately monstrous (well, where you have non-phys. bosses at least) and I had a very tight Havendale game with it just now (had to convert to GG then out to Binlor to win it, firstborn + Zin Kibaru as bosses, brr....), it's more that Martyr Wraps are a phenomenal early game item for monks and if you're going Orc anyway the bonus damage is more relevant. Personally I think the Taurog damage boost works given you're more or less abandoning spellcasting for it and monks get relatively little out of the death protections themselves - it amplifies the benefits of Taurog for the obvious users a bit (Monks, Zerkers, Rogues) but also makes it more interesting as a choice to stick with for other characters that probably wouldn't consider him except as a piety farm.

I don't think lowering the damage bonus actually resolves the problem which is that it tends to simplify your overall strat a lot in advance (I don't think it's worse than the Binlor resist-monster). This gets better on maps like Havendale/Ick where you've got geography problems and the odd interesting enemy.

[Lujo]

[The Avatar]

I have to agree. It's no fun when something is just too good. If it can beat all non-Vicious physical bosses, that's like half the game.

[Sidestepper]

I'm still not sold on this being a problem that needs solving. I've been playing around with it, and yeah it's good, but it also crashes and burns whenever you run into Tormented One or Tower of Goo or Aequitas etc. I have a better win percentage with the tried and true Halfling Priest + Trisword + Extra Gold. At a certain point, I think that we need to acknowledge that we are very proficient players and can consistently win the game.

[Fran]

[The Avatar]

Excuse me, I misspoke. I should have said anything that lets a medium skill level player easily defeat all hard physical attackers gets to me. You should have to work for your win a bit more. You shouldn't be able to just tell a new player to use Monk with Taurog and all of a sudden he's crushing stuff.

[gjaustin]

[Fran]

Exactly. Dungeons where there are magical and physical bosses at the same time are no cakewalk either, and that are alot of dungeons.