Is assassin the worst class in the game now?

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Re: Is assassin the worst class in the game now?

Postby harfatum on Sat Jul 28, 2012 6:07 pm

What about something actually thief-like? Being able to take something from enemies, whether that is gold, levels/xp, or whatever else. Maybe that's too drastic for this stage in development, but it'd be cool.
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Re: Is assassin the worst class in the game now?

Postby Lujo on Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:11 pm

I like Darvins and Abraxas' thoughts on it, consise as they are. Giving Thief a pilfer effect of some sort would also be cool (not sure about functional). Stabber is really odd in relation to most other simmilar stuff in the game.

The odd thing is that everything about the thief (especially the way he was before) was too unique and didn't really build up to anything. He was sort of the only guy who did what he did, and the best at it AND strong enough for vicious. Potions being the earliest (and only) spike fuel at the start of a kingdom playthrough, no wonder people gravitated towards him and then stuck with him as a standby.

The original reason I started all this derailing was that the potion spike got the shaft (along with all the components) so hard that I think of it as a newbie spike these days. So Thief might be the weakest class currently (Nothing with swift hands is ever going to be the weakest class, possibly a lethal joke character).
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Re: Is assassin the worst class in the game now?

Postby The Avatar on Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:21 pm

Theif is not the worst class. Maybe Wizard? At least for Vicious there's a lot of anti-magic stuff, and because of their -25% that's devastating for Wizards.
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Re: Is assassin the worst class in the game now?

Postby harfatum on Sun Jul 29, 2012 1:29 am

So, what's the "point" of Thief? Like, each class is supposed to teach the player something. The only thing I can think of is teaching the player to be careful when they first hit an enemy....
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Re: Is assassin the worst class in the game now?

Postby Abraxas on Sun Jul 29, 2012 1:58 am

I'd say that the thief is all about resourcefulness, as in being able to leverage a multitude of different resources and strengths, as opposed to focusing on a single strength.
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Re: Is assassin the worst class in the game now?

Postby Lujo on Sun Jul 29, 2012 8:51 am

It's flexibility and hybridness, but since he was too damned good at it, and his way of doing it never built towards anything "better" (in the same vein), he was cursed with awesome, and failed by winning :D

When you translate his upsides into concrete results what you get is more powerups (which makes you "naturaly" outperform any other equal level class by a small margin), more gold and shops (which translates into more CP and that then can turn into all sorts of stuff, including piety for converting), 1 more glyph (?) (even more flexibility and CP), more potions (which also do double duty, so even more flexibility)... Stabber makes you commit to spikes, and the potion antics let you spike with both phys and mag at the same time.

When I think about it, he teaches you about either cheezing or scumming for stuff :D Apart from that, he's the go-to Conversion Points guy, and mastering him builds towards being good with the Tinker rather than anything else from the Thief Den. The "buy and convert" cheap item shennanigans are also his domain as far as early kingdom develoment is concerned, and more leeway with gold let's you experiment with stuff other than the Sword or whatever is a must buy ATM.

AMUSING BIT OF TRIVIA: He was the go-to guy for the 3rd or 4th class completion slot for "complete with X classes" quests, especially Vicious ones. It was a bit absurd once you got into a habit, you'd use whatever class was a natural fit for whatever dungeon, you'd go either Monk + Paladin or Rogue + Warlord (depending on the player / dungeon), and then you'd look at the pool, shrug, go in with the Thief and win without being able to pinpoint exactly why it worked.

Once I figured that out, I started doing the Thief first :D I wouldn't learn a thing from it, but hey, the number of times I walked in somewhere with a half-hearted thief and walked out victorious was mind boggling.
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