Should the player be able to die?

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Re: Should the player be able to die?

Postby Leotamer on Sun Aug 05, 2012 11:34 pm

And to be honest, I don't really care to much myself. Just food for thought, and I get bored from time to time.
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Re: Should the player be able to die?

Postby Bloggorus on Mon Aug 06, 2012 12:16 am

Honestly, if you are playing a dungeon so close to the line that a single misclick will ruin your run, you have to either slow down or try a different tack.

I mis-click all the time but it rarely causes instadeath, just a setback and reminder to respect the difficulty of the game.

This game, despite it's trappings as an RPG and casual game, is a very deep and complicated puzzler. If you get yourself into a position where a win requires perfect play, you should be slowing down.

Over-confidence and haste in any puzzler is going to cause mistakes.
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Re: Should the player be able to die?

Postby The Avatar on Mon Aug 06, 2012 12:21 am

Still, I shouldn't have to take an extra 5 minutes (total) on clicking because some level 9 jerk spawned next to my altar.
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Re: Should the player be able to die?

Postby q 3 on Mon Aug 06, 2012 1:05 am

I suspect that much of the disagreement here is due to players using different input methods. Someone who plays on a touchpad (like me) will likely experience far more misclicks due to the inherent inaccuracy of the device than someone else who plays with a mouse. Particularly since one of the goals of the devs is to release DD on pads and phones, it makes sense (to me) that pixel perfect precision is something to be avoided, not required.

But in any event, yes, DD is basically a puzzler. It's not a platformer, or an FPS, or a rhythm game, etc. As such, I have a hard time understanding the argument that misclicks are part of its "difficulty." There's a big difference between mistakenly thinking you can take out that level 8 Gorgon without using any potions, and accidentally clicking on that level 8 Gorgon when you meant to visit the shop right next to it. Devising a successful strategy and efficiently using your available resources is where DD's difficulty (is supposed to) come from, not hand-eye coordination.
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Re: Should the player be able to die?

Postby Aequitas on Mon Aug 06, 2012 10:12 am

The Avatar wrote:I know what would work (without leaving a bad taste in either sides mouth)! You could make monster click to select as an option. So when you click something you see its stats page. That would also allow you to mouse over new effects like weakening (well, new to a new player) and it would make misclicks non-devastating. Of course for people who don't want their arm to fall off from exhaustion, this would be toggleable. That could also work as a system for the iPhone/Android versions.


This is pretty much the system that we're envisioning for touch devices, and we are planning to implement it as an option in the "mouse" versions. This would mean 2x misclicks for an instadeath. It would also counter the odd case of the "double clicking" mouse (which can happen as mcro-switches in your mouse start to age)
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Re: Should the player be able to die?

Postby fall_ark on Mon Aug 06, 2012 2:19 pm

Aequitas wrote:
The Avatar wrote:I know what would work (without leaving a bad taste in either sides mouth)! You could make monster click to select as an option. So when you click something you see its stats page. That would also allow you to mouse over new effects like weakening (well, new to a new player) and it would make misclicks non-devastating. Of course for people who don't want their arm to fall off from exhaustion, this would be toggleable. That could also work as a system for the iPhone/Android versions.


This is pretty much the system that we're envisioning for touch devices, and we are planning to implement it as an option in the "mouse" versions. This would mean 2x misclicks for an instadeath. It would also counter the odd case of the "double clicking" mouse (which can happen as mcro-switches in your mouse start to age)


Good to hear! I just bought a new mouse after a week's doubleclicking.... Kudos for your hard work! :)
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