Final dungeon/quest balance tweaks

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Final dungeon/quest balance tweaks

Postby The Avatar on Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:17 pm

Okay, it's pretty obvious this game is nearing the end of its beta. Still, there are a few balance tweaks that I, and no doubt some other people, think needs to happen.

The only two things for me are:
1.DL is too hard in comparison to everything else in the game.
2. A lot of the gold class challenges surpass the difficulty of a good class on any Vicious.

Feel free to post your own balance suggestions or comment on others.
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Re: Final dungeon/quest balance tweaks

Postby Blovski on Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:38 pm

Agreed with both... Will give another run through Slime Pits and Namtar when I can.
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Re: Final dungeon/quest balance tweaks

Postby Darvin on Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:58 pm

Slime Pits is fine now, IMO. Still the hardest of the hard-difficulty dungeons, but well within reason. The PQI has been giving me nothing but Slime Pit runs for some time now, and I've been having a fairly good success rate with them.

Demonic Library definitely needs the attention. It was too easy for a vicious scenario before, but it's swung much too far in the other direction. I also think the Avatar is a little bit underwhelming as a boss. I'd prefer DL to go back to how it was on the surface and just rework the final battle to be that much more of a challenge.

I've found that some dungeons (Hobbler's Hold, Den of Danger, Eastern Tundra, and Namtar's Lair do this a lot) have a nasty habit of placing the boss at the end of a long corridor filled with level 7's, 8's, and 9's. The big problem is that these corridors are often difficult to identify until exploration is almost complete, at which point you basically have a mini-matron on your hands if you don't have ENDISWAL. Still winnable (in fact, I pulled off a Namtar's Lair win as Warlord recently when Namtar was on the very last tile I explored and I had expended several potions beating level 9's to reach him) but definitely not a fun layout to have unless it's an intentional part of the dungeon design like Dragon Isles.

Labyrinth could use some attention. You're still totally dependent on finding some method of wall destruction to have a clean run on it. Don't know what the solution is, but something would be helpful. Maybe a "Bridge Troll" style opponent that appears near the player start location and drops a bear mace?

Otherwise, most dungeons are in a presentable state and any gripes I have are relatively minor and not worth taking focus away from these other problems.
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Re: Final dungeon/quest balance tweaks

Postby The Avatar on Mon Aug 13, 2012 6:22 pm

Eastern Tundra is now layer out like DL, so there aren't many corridors to block up.

I personally find Cursed Oasis quite difficult. Counter: Fireball shuts down a TON of strategies.
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Re: Final dungeon/quest balance tweaks

Postby q 3 on Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:49 pm

IMO the Bloodmage Silver boss shouldn't spawn barbed bushes. Way too easy to make the scenario unwinnable. (Unless you scum for ENDISWAL, but is that the right lesson to be teaching?)
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Re: Final dungeon/quest balance tweaks

Postby Darvin on Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:57 pm

IMO the Bloodmage Silver boss shouldn't spawn barbed bushes. Way too easy to make the scenario unwinnable. (Unless you scum for ENDISWAL, but is that the right lesson to be teaching?)

That was essentially the problem with the old Druid Grove. They basically took that scenario (which was problematic to begin with) and amplified it for Bloodmage Silver.
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Re: Final dungeon/quest balance tweaks

Postby fall_ark on Tue Aug 14, 2012 12:51 am

q 3 wrote:IMO the Bloodmage Silver boss shouldn't spawn barbed bushes. Way too easy to make the scenario unwinnable. (Unless you scum for ENDISWAL, but is that the right lesson to be teaching?)


Isn't a Fireball fine too? If there's extra blackspace at the border like in Alpha I bet Bloodmage can utilize that.

Maybe there should always spawn a blackspace-filled subdungeon. Or when the boss spawn plants there's some new blackspace spawned as well.
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Re: Final dungeon/quest balance tweaks

Postby The Avatar on Tue Aug 14, 2012 3:16 am

The boss could cover his newly spawned plants.
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Re: Final dungeon/quest balance tweaks

Postby q 3 on Tue Aug 14, 2012 4:13 am

Assassin Gold has a fairly arbitrary difficulty level depending on whether you get WEYTWUT (or possibly PISORF) in the starting area. If you don't, you basically have to be playing a goblin to proceed. If the latter is the intended strategy then it might be appropriate to disable those glyphs, or at least place them behind the mid-boss.
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Re: Final dungeon/quest balance tweaks

Postby The Avatar on Tue Aug 14, 2012 1:20 pm

Very true. I never thought of that.
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