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Re: Dwarves. Just dwarves. Or Dwarfs.

Postby squirrelnest on Tue Feb 12, 2013 2:32 am

I don't know if my "sucks at DD and almost never posts" status makes my point more or less meaningful, but I feel dwarfs are the least powerful race. I also think elves (with crystal!) are great, so take that opinion with a grain of salt.
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Re: Dwarves. Just dwarves. Or Dwarfs.

Postby The Avatar on Tue Feb 12, 2013 5:24 am

Agreed. Beyond specialist strategies, I ignore them. They're boring and weak. Then again, the simplicity does help newer players I suppose (like in the case of Taurog).
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Re: Dwarves. Just dwarves. Or Dwarfs.

Postby Bloggorus on Tue Feb 12, 2013 5:30 am

Aww, poor dwarves. So boring.

I feel like they aren't in the game so much as to provide an interesting or different path as much as because you 'have' to have a health based tank dwarf in every fantasy game.
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Re: Dwarves. Just dwarves. Or Dwarfs.

Postby The Avatar on Tue Feb 12, 2013 5:36 am

Maybe, but you shouldn't include something broken or ineffective just because it conforms to some standard. Desktop Dungeons is a game that mocks the standards.
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Re: Dwarves. Just dwarves. Or Dwarfs.

Postby harfatum on Tue Feb 12, 2013 5:54 am

Dwarves are not just stout, but known for being master craftsdwarves. Maybe that angle would be more interesting?
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Re: Dwarves. Just dwarves. Or Dwarfs.

Postby Bloggorus on Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:02 am

I like my tubby Dwarves. If you must change them, give them overheal.
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Re: Dwarves. Just dwarves. Or Dwarfs.

Postby Lujo on Tue Feb 12, 2013 9:57 am

harfatum wrote:Dwarves are not just stout, but known for being master craftsdwarves. Maybe that angle would be more interesting?


This is how I got my "they need to heal current hp as well as max" conversion idea to "how about a bit more than that?". I figured they could repurpose anything into a sandwitch, and digest whatever ^^

(That concept always made more sense to me as a dwarf related quirk rather than a tolkinean halfling one - how'd they get so tubby otherwise? :) )
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Re: Dwarves. Just dwarves. Or Dwarfs.

Postby Lujo on Tue Feb 12, 2013 11:31 am

booooooze wrote:And lord knows I love TT. I've even almost gotten used to the new poison. Certainly not as good as the old variety, but it's not so bad...


It could use a bit of a buff. Say, you seem about as hung up on TT as I am, did you check the wiki page out? I cut it down to size a bit, but god knows there's probably stuff I forgot about or were even wrong about. Mind taking a look at it?

squirrelnest wrote:I don't know if my "sucks at DD and almost never posts" status makes my point more or less meaningful, but I feel dwarfs are the least powerful race. I also think elves (with crystal!) are great, so take that opinion with a grain of salt.


Don't be worried - you'r opinion is as legit as ours. The dwarfs being unattractive and clogging up the PQI as a result is even more of a problem than their power level, especially if being reasonable about their power level is making a majority of people pick them less than the other guys. You just confirm this from the perspective of someone who probably has a life. Also, elves with CB kick ass, and I really should be using them more often - I get too much CB overflow as is.


EDIT: And just to be clear, because I wasn't, my 10% or 20% per CP suggestion was per CP cap hit. Wouldn't want them converting spoons for half a health potion, obviously, but with a 20% on cap hit you could use conversion to help with the most dreaded of healthmonster annoyances - having a huge health pool which comes barely short of surviving two hits. Would save people worlds of grief. On top of fixing the "don't get their benefits without healing/exploring" thing.
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Re: Dwarves. Just dwarves. Or Dwarfs.

Postby Ach Wheesht on Tue Feb 12, 2013 12:41 pm

Would a stacking regen bonus along with the max health help? Like +10% health regen with each conversion. It would make a different type of regen fighting. And dwarf monks/palandins would be awesome!
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Re: Dwarves. Just dwarves. Or Dwarfs.

Postby Lujo on Tue Feb 12, 2013 3:27 pm

Light hearted dwarf rant below, need a way to laugh about it :D

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Really, game? Really?

How are you "preventing any any one guild from having dominance" if you're giving all the fun to dwarven assassins? :lol: ? :cry: ? :shock: ? How about a nice dwarven priest? I don't remember playing many (any?) of those... Or a crusader of some kind - haven't done many of those either... I'd take a warlord, even!

I mean if someone looked at my profile the numbers might even say say it's working as intended, but if this is intended, can someone intend something else, please? Just about every flaming run I did should count towards the times I've seen a dwarven assassin in the PQI and wanted to avoid it for a short while... Doing venture cave and the den with 100% completion in there just to make dwarfs go away is not fun at all :(

And right now I'm stuck with either doing this, or the flaming CO, or relogging, but then I'll just run into the dwarven assassin in a run or two, poised to kill my will to live :lol: Or the goblin thief, always on the lookout for new ways to grab my time and run away! :lol:

Is the PQI even counting runs and combos you did for it in the calculations? Because I think I will be getting these even efter I've cleared every dungeon with a dwarf assassin. I've had an inordinate ammount of goblin thieves as well, but this is simply ridiculous. I'm quite sure I've played enough of them by now to overtake paladins and warlords, except that I've played more "nasty combo" dwarf paladins and warlords than any reasonable ones. At least I found more reasons to...

EDIT: Funny story - the game was hitting me with so many dwarves week before the vicious token update. So much so that I had this reaction: PQI finally sends me up with something thats not a dwarf assasin, and I go: "I'm not falling for that! I'mma screwing YOU over PQI!" and almost take a Dwarf Assassin on the flaming run instead to grind them out of the system. :lol: Ended up at least rooting the goblins out that same way by going around all the vicious token dungeons with them.

EDIT2: Btw, the badge is warmonger, go figure. Because what else? At this rate I will have played assassins everywhere and not one of those a goblin :D Come to think of it I'm not even sure I've used APHEELSICK with assassins more times that not, also because of the PQI :lol: I did it too, wasn't too hard :rofl:
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