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Bring back the keyboard...

Postby wondernate on Wed Jun 19, 2013 5:37 am

I saw a few other posts regarding this... I just wanted to add my voice to them. I much prefer the keyboard movements. I would love to see that back in the new version like you have in the old version.

Thanks for makin the game though!
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Re: Bring back the keyboard...

Postby dislekcia on Wed Jun 19, 2013 3:19 pm

I really can't understand why people chose to play with the keyboard in the alpha. Barring not actually having a mouse to use, it was simply always an inferior option. Never gave enough combat information, so keyboard players were automatically locked out of learning the ins and outs of the actual game...
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Re: Bring back the keyboard...

Postby thegabbert on Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:58 pm

I don't think anybody played the alpha with just the keyboard (at least, I can't see how that would work). I used both: I would mouse over enemies to get the combat info, figure out how many times I could hit the mob, etc., but actually smacking the mobs or when walking around exploring or picking up stuff from the ground, I found the keyboard easier than *click* *move mouse hand a little* *click* *move mouse hand a little* *click*. I never used the keyboard by itself, but when I didn't need to look at things, it was nice to just arrow around, and it was a bit jarring when I joined the beta and keyboard support was missing.
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Re: Bring back the keyboard...

Postby booooooze on Thu Jun 20, 2013 1:50 am

It seems to be a minority voice, sadly.

a) I play on a laptop, generally in bed, touchpad blows. For a while I would hook up a mouse and grab a magazine, just for DD. Now I just suffer through.
b) It's a roguelike, no? Do you play nethack et al with the mouse? I can't imagine. Sure, new players could use the info of mousing over. But, as I'm sure I've said before, I'd pay for the game again just to get keyboard controls.
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Re: Bring back the keyboard...

Postby squirrelnest on Thu Jun 20, 2013 2:07 am

I only want keyboard movement for one thing:

Anytime I mass kill a bunch of plants. Western jungle boss, I'm looking at you.

Honestly, I'd like a "kill all plants of this type I can reach without uncovering black space" button, but no point in getting greedy.
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Re: Bring back the keyboard...

Postby JayPlaysIndieGames on Thu Jun 20, 2013 3:06 am

it's certainly not a huge issue to me, but if keyboard controls were available I would most certainly use them
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Re: Bring back the keyboard...

Postby Waldo0 on Thu Jun 20, 2013 4:31 am

Using arrow keys is a old tradition In the one character games, so I think many new people automatically expect their arrow keys will function whether they are convenient or not.

thegabbert wrote:it was a bit jarring when I joined the beta and keyboard support was missing.

+1 I also felt this. :)
JayPlaysIndieGames wrote:it's certainly not a huge issue to me, but if keyboard controls were available I would most certainly use them

+1
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Re: Bring back the keyboard...

Postby dislekcia on Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:47 am

You realise that in order to make keyboard controls convey the proper information, moving into an enemy would no longer attack it, right? You'd have to select an enemy by moving into it, then space for attack. I'm guessing that would slow down keyboard movement quite a bit.

And yes, while I understand the expectation people have that roguelikes should have keyboard movement, it's obvious to me that the implementation of keyboard controls in the alpha was terrible for a game like Desktop Dungeons. It had so many issues, both informational and formative (like how Totalbiscuit never learned to move diagonally in his video, for example) that we chose to leave it out when we started working on the beta.
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Re: Bring back the keyboard...

Postby harfatum on Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:28 pm

Keyboard movement is easier on my wrists and fingers, so I prefer it in some cases. I know mouse movement is quicker, but using the keyboard is more relaxing for me.
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Re: Bring back the keyboard...

Postby thegabbert on Fri Jun 21, 2013 12:08 am

dislekcia wrote:You realise that in order to make keyboard controls convey the proper information, moving into an enemy would no longer attack it, right?

Yes, of course. But that's not what I would use the keyboard for anyway. I prefer to use the keyboard to move around and kill things when I don't need the information the mouse over gives you, like when I'm not killing or when I'm eating popcorn. I wouldn't want the keyboard controls to change anything else about how the game plays. If I walk into a mob, I should attack it blind.

We could talk about the impact any change like this would have on new players, (i.e. would it confuse players or make them miss important mouse over info) and maybe that would settle it. It could always be made an optional feature, defaulting to off. And, like others have said, I won't cry if it's not implemented. But it would be nice.
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