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Re: Wiki strategy pages ?

Postby Lujo on Tue Mar 10, 2015 7:43 pm

^ Heh, we'd be crying Br00ken for Yendor too, if it wasn't obvious there's no point to it, it's so ludicrous compared to just about anything. It's kinda like Swift Hands, you just look at it and rofl XD I suppose you're looking at the whole thing like Goblin doesn't bring anything in the level that isn't there otherwise, like - anyone gets levels, you're supposed to get levels, and the prestige is unreachable and uncapped anyway, while you do get something sorta more tangible into the map with anything else. I kinda get the idea, but, err, it's not really accurate. I just had a really fun purist Magma Mines specialist Goblin Thief romp which ended with me dinging several times off of my plentiful popcorn and glyphs for repeated Scholars Pact activations and running the boss over. On a purist and otherwise spellcastery gobbo. Barely touched the shops at all. Also used all the mana I was dinging to make fat goo blobs dissapear for even more XP, while I was fighting the boss.

They're much deeper than total CP or total XP gained would suggest. I was surprised too, PQI spamming them at me thought me otherwise ^^ They also fireball the matron like noone else, and I'm not sure that's an exaggeration. I'm also kinda sure, or at least have begun to strongly suspect they do in fact make better wizards than gnomes, but let's just not go there. I haven't tested that out enough yet, the PQI sprang it on me a few times and it turned out very hilarious.
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Re: Wiki strategy pages ?

Postby Tinker on Tue Mar 10, 2015 7:52 pm

"Thinker", just without the "ache".
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Re: Wiki strategy pages ?

Postby Astral on Tue Mar 10, 2015 7:58 pm

If you ask me, the best use of Yendor is transmuting it :P
Easy +45 gold and %100 CP bonus on next conversion. It's an added benefit for beginners, that you don't have to kill a Namtar for it either.
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Re: Wiki strategy pages ?

Postby Lujo on Tue Mar 10, 2015 8:10 pm

The best use for Yendor is bringing it into a run, and walking away with a fat pile of cash for very little effort in a short ammount of time with anything that's balanced around having a tricky early game. Because what early game? If you don't believe me, well, there's this thread where I post evidence of doing this a lot. Not proud of myself either. 2nd best use transmutation, 3rd best bring it on a goblin for lol ammounts of XP, 4th - pretend it just isn't there.

But:

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That's a mean little bugger right there. Not VT difficulty, but yes purist. Munched on popcorn for piety with both gods. Lvl 6 and lvl 7 Goos were pure collateral during the bossfight. Didn't feel the least bit gimped for being a goblin, quite the opposite. Just saying, deeper than you'd think. PQI, specialist Thief.
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Re: Wiki strategy pages ?

Postby Tinker on Tue Mar 10, 2015 11:07 pm

Ok... apologies in advance. No I did not intend to turn this into any sort of pissing contest or whatever (even the thought would be absurd). I liked the vic screen, and I thought: heck, it's been ages since I went into Magma Mines, so why don't I do the Purist Thief there, just to see how it goes? I picked Halfling because we all know what would have happened if I were to pick Gnome (or Orc for that matter...). Anyway, try as I may, I failed to feel constrained because of a Purist run on a hard map devoid of ways to generate tons of bonus XP. My racial bonus - enough for roughly 10 extra Health Potions - synergized well with tons of things. I was spamming potions left-right-and-center, to do everything basically (spike monsters, buy boons, fuel scroll). Anyway, screens:

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You may say that I lucked out with the Scroll and JJ and Draco and all. I agree. But it could've gone different ways and still be solid. My first altar (TT) looked good enough to take, I just wanted to level up a bit before doing so, but I would have turned into an XP monster with that. Then there was Mystera (I ended up desecrating her), again I could have turned into a caster (remember, 2 Health Potions restore 1 Mana Potion's worth of Mana!). Stuff. Don't get me wrong, I don't want to dis gobs, or compare vic screens or whatever (I didn't do Specialist for example), but I feel that this character turned out extremely powerful because of the extra potions giving me a massive advantage. I remember someone calling it shennanigans. But even if it's just a restore, and even if my health wouldn't have been close to 300, the potions along would have meant a trifecta of dead bosses around L7 or L8 or so, except I wanted to play thru the level to see how it pans out.
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Re: Wiki strategy pages ?

Postby Lujo on Tue Mar 10, 2015 11:15 pm

Well, that's really good! The halfling won it with his potions, the gobbo won it with his XP. One went unstoppable, one went Specialist. Heck, Scholar's Pact + Gobbo is pure RNG, you can't even prep it - I just decided that's my endgame (could've easily been DP's from Taurog, for example - I didn't use a single one) :) Lot's of stuff works, and that's a fine ole thing, we both had plenty of options where to take these runs. Gets a ^^ from me. Neither of them was prevented from scoring higher level kills, either.
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Re: Wiki strategy pages ?

Postby flap on Wed Mar 11, 2015 1:56 pm

Interesting stuff Tinker, but it would be better fit in the bragging topic...
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Re: Wiki strategy pages ?

Postby Tinker on Thu Mar 12, 2015 8:32 am

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Re: Wiki strategy pages ?

Postby Lujo on Thu Mar 12, 2015 11:27 pm

!!! Figured out the word that "optimal" is often erroneously (spelling?) being used in place of.

STREAMLINED. That's the thing. Like with Orc Crusaders. They're not optimal, far from it, they're - streamlined. It's very interesting to figure this out. Halfling Berserker is optimal - he kinda covers all the bases, Orc Berserker is streamlined, etc etc.
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Re: Wiki strategy pages ?

Postby Tinker on Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:58 am

Interesting thought!

So just to see whether I get it... you would call something that shows an obvious synergy "streamlined", and something that may not show an obvious synergy, but contains the right ingredients in the right amounts to be overall strong, "optimal"?
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