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Re: God prep uses

Postby TheSchachter on Wed Apr 02, 2014 1:37 am

Blovski wrote:Whether GG prep puts Enlightenment out of reach depends on A) class (i.e. Paladin or not), B) good piety gen and C) amount of XP in the dungeon. At the moment Enlightenment is kinda too expensive for what it does imho but I'd say if you want Enlightenment and a decent amount of beads you can get it. The real clincher is whether you can get Enlightenment + necessary cleansings + convert out.


Personally I don't think I ever convert out after taking Enlightenment. More often than not when I take it I use it as a final ding (or penultimate in some rare cases), and most potions have been converted for Piety at that point, meaning that I usually have enough spare piety to cover a potion or two (or Protections + the potions as a Paladin).

But yeah, in my experience prepped GG's Enlightenment is only really worthwile for Paladins unless the only thing you want is the + 5 mana or the curse wipe. I did use it to beat VT Hex Ruins as an Orc Paladin, which ended up being a close (but satisfying!) run. Of course the Revenants make for easy Poison Piety in that dungeon.

Somewhat off-topic: I'm still of the opinion that Enlightenment's price is mostly fine, but it feels underwhelming because gaining enough piety for the beads + the boon is a lot of work (partly the busy work of mass converting anything you can get your hands on) and the fact that the extra power it gives has only really felt relevant (or in some cases necessary) in Vicious scenarios. Also the extra HP + Damage is especially noticeable if you've already got decent resists/damage reduction. Flavour-wise, the "work" you do for it (picture an adventurer compulsively grabbing random stuff to "rid himself of material dependencies") is actually kinda funny in a neat way. I still wouldn't mind seeing it buffed a tiny bit though.
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Re: God prep uses

Postby Lujo on Wed Apr 02, 2014 8:27 am

Speaking of GG, one of the best places to casually prep him is the regular vicious GT. You don't shoot for Enlightment (allthough you could get it), but you'll get plenty of piety to convert into whatever and cleansing is really, really good in that dungeon. Not only does it help you deal with certain floor bosses, it also helps a great deal with getting rid of various debuffs that you slowly acummulate.
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Re: God prep uses

Postby Kestrel on Wed Apr 02, 2014 9:46 am

Well, in most cases where you get enlightenment as a non-paladin, you then have to take a 10 piety hit per mana potion which cancels out that 5 mana benefit, and you would have been better off with JJ's Chaos Avatar. I think I've only found it to be really good in a certain triple quest where the scenario rules are stacked in favour of it.

It's also highly amusing from a roleplaying perspective that a large part of the reason paladins work so well with GG is because he lets his holiest warriors get away with breaking the rules with no punishment.
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Re: God prep uses

Postby TheSchachter on Wed Apr 02, 2014 4:22 pm

Kestrel wrote:Well, in most cases where you get enlightenment as a non-paladin, you then have to take a 10 piety hit per mana potion which cancels out that 5 mana benefit, and you would have been better off with JJ's Chaos Avatar. I think I've only found it to be really good in a certain triple quest where the scenario rules are stacked in favour of it.


Hmm, in my experience taking Enlightenment almost always involves desecrating at least one altar (or taking Consensus right afterwards when pactmaker's there!), so honestly I've never really felt the potion penalty. I definitely get where you're coming from though.

Lujo wrote:Speaking of GG, one of the best places to casually prep him is the regular vicious GT. You don't shoot for Enlightment (allthough you could get it), but you'll get plenty of piety to convert into whatever and cleansing is really, really good in that dungeon. Not only does it help you deal with certain floor bosses, it also helps a great deal with getting rid of various debuffs that you slowly acummulate.


Definitely. My first VGT win was with the GG Orc Rogue. It was definitely GG for Horatio... (sorry)
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Re: God prep uses

Postby Serpentarius on Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:26 pm

I almost had a good use for JJ's -1 inventory. I was fixing to run Priest in the Slime pits. I wanted to run Really Big Sword so I can deal with Goo Tower easier, but it would eating popcorn harder than it already is. So I thought that I could use JJ's prep to leave Really Big Sword on the ground, so I can pick it up when I'm fighting Goo Tower. Then I realized I can't put Big Sword on the bottom and most likely, Fireball or the Shop Scroll would end up on the ground. Oh well, I just ran Dracula Priest instead.

Can Dracula's bloodless effect bosses too? I almost didn't do it because the thought of trying take on Super Meat Man without Lifesteal hung over my head.
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Re: God prep uses

Postby Kestrel on Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:49 pm

I think it can, but super meat man is easy to regen fight anyway even with just a fireball.
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