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Class Concepts with Sprites

Postby Lynzkar on Tue May 06, 2014 1:05 pm

I make dumb class suggestions with sprites. I'm trying my best to learn the spriting style from the game. Some sprites might be simmlar to things that are allready in the game, cause it's much easier to copy the style, if I use things in the game as canvas.

The Djinn
Now with different facial hairstyles
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--Conversion Bonus : +3% Magic & Physical Resistance + 1 layer of curse for every 100 conversion points
♦Spellbound/Spellcycle♦
♦Using a glyph reduces the mana cost of all other glyphs by 2(stacks twice, however the second stack will only be half as effective (capping the mana cost reduction at 3)). Using glyph with reduced cost resets it's mana cost. (BLUDTOPOWA is not affected by, and cannot trigger spellcycle)
♦base Mana cost of all glyphs is increased by 1

♠Banisher♠
♠Starts with Imawal
♠Imawal banishes targets into another plane of excistance (simmlar to slayer wand, Expirience Boost buff is still awarded)

♣Guru♣
♣Mana Restores & level up(?) overcharge mana up to 50%.
♣+20% XP needed for each level

Witch doctor [Dramatic dun duun duuuun]
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Explorers' Guild Class;
Requierments for unlock subdungeon : have crusader + 1 monsterclass
Subdungeon : Found around the jungly (south) parts of the map.
Contains a long room with a altar. The altar will be blocked by a level 5 enemy. The altar will reduce your max hp by 20 , increase your max mana by 3 and apply 99 stacks of curse. after activating altar you will be teleported back to the entrace. and there we be a sign saying "Voodo Hodoo". (There will be no acctual indicators that you are going to unlock the witch doctor). Then after you win, (or leave?). You will unlock the witch doctor.
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---Dwarf 1-----Dwarf 2-----Halfling-----Human---
-♠ Hex
♦ Curse Immune
♦ Cursed Strike; Basic attacks erode 1% on enemy resistances

-♠ Witch Craft
♦Starts with Compression Seal, Schadenfrude Potion, Strength Potion
♦ +2 Starting Mana

-♠ Switcha-roo
♦Starts with WEYTWUT glyph
♦WEYTWUT costs 4 mana to cast

Todo :
Orc, Goblin & Gnome Witchdoctors (not sure if I will get around to do this)



Monster Class- Ratling RAT MONARCH! CORRECTLY SIZED TEXT!

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Edit : I found out Ratling are acctualy ingame as an enemy, so I guess I should change the name or something
Edit 2 : ERMERGERD RAT MONARCH
Quest; Our Alchemist has been scavenging the ruins of the Demonic Libary, during one of his expeditions he claims to have seen a rat-like human. After studying it's behavior he has concluded that it would be a great addition to our kingdom. He now requests you to "convince" these "Ratlings" as he calls them to join our kingdom.

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Skillset 1
-- Crippling Claws Image
♦ Weakning Strike
♦ -30% Bonus Damage
-- Combat Knowledge Image
♦ Permanent 10% Dodge Chance
♦ Heal 3 (+2 hp * level) when ever you dodge an attack
-- Small, Sneaky & Squeeky Image
♦ Free GETINDARE glyph
♦ Reduced hp regen (0.5 * level per blackspace)
♦ -1 Inventory Slot
-- Conversion Bonus
♦ +1 Stack of Weakning Strike per 100 (+20 stacking) conversion points

OR
Skillset 2
-- Caustic Claws Image
♦ Corrosive strike
♦ -50% Bonus Damage
-- Combat Knowledge Image
♦ 10% chance to deal 200% damage
-- Small, Sneaky & Squeeky Image
♦ Free GETINDARE glyph
♦ -1 Inventory slot
-- Conversion bonus
♦ Get one stack of corrosive strike and -1(+(-2) damage stacking) per 120 Conversion points



Scrapped
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Magebane
Design : Wears masks, clothing somewhat simmlar to bloodmage and carries a short sword (glowing cyan)
Concept : Image (Elf & Goblin)
Gameplay : Somewhat Crusader like, but more Glyph focused

Magebane
♣ Basic Attack reduces enemy Magic Resistance by 40% of their magic resistance (100% -> 60%, 50 -> 30%) for one turn (one basic attack, uncover 1 black space or cast a glyph (HALPHMEH, BLUTPOWA, LEMMISEE discluded (for both blackspace and glyph cast))
♣ -3 Bonus Damage
♣ 15% Magic Resistance
[NEEDS A NAME]
♣ Basic attacks burn or restore 1 mana per strike
♣ Magic Strike
Trigger Happy
♣ Whenever an enemy is killed you get a decaying attack bonus of 4 (+2*level) bonus base damage (-2 per basic attack or glyph cast) (-1 per blackspace uncovered (BLUTPOWA & LEMMISEE discluded for both glyph cast and blackspace-uncovering)
♣ +1 damage per level
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Adventurer.EXE/u]
Design : Robot, Bleep Boop!
Concept : Image Image Image
Gameplay : A mix between Tinker & Paladin
Unlock : Give WIZARD.EXE 3 Glyphs in one play through, after unlocking the witch

[u]Speed Boost

♣ Permanent 13% dodge chance
♣ Shop items costs increased or descrased by 4, towards an average of 17
Deffensive Mechanisms
♣ 13% magic & physical resistance
Religious Drive
♣ +1 Piety per kill
♣God boons costs increased or decreased by 20%, towards an average of 50
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Re: Desktop Dungeons Suggestions

Postby dislekcia on Tue May 06, 2014 9:10 pm

Hehehe, you'd have to make that like -80% damage to make that even remotely fair ;) Stacking corrosion is crazy, especially with resistances.
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Re: Desktop Dungeons Suggestions

Postby Darvin on Tue May 06, 2014 9:29 pm

dislekcia wrote:Hehehe, you'd have to make that like -80% damage to make that even remotely fair ;) Stacking corrosion is crazy, especially with resistances.

Indeed; this one was proven in more than a few ways throughout the beta. I think the Martyr Wraps turned out alright in the end all things considered. But stacking corrosion... that's an entirely new level of nasty. The monster class could be pinned to a 1 point prod (like alpha Mystera worshippers) and he'd still be deadly!

Anyways, welcome to the DD forums Lynzkar. Don't mind the post-release lull.
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Re: Desktop Dungeons Suggestions

Postby Sidestepper on Wed May 07, 2014 3:50 am

I've never thought about it before, but if you have both the Martyr Wraps and the Sticky Stick, do they stack? It's not really exploitable because the SS is neither shoppable nor lockerable, but that could be a a neat one-time experience.
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Re: Desktop Dungeons Suggestions

Postby Lujo on Wed May 07, 2014 7:54 am

I did think about it but couldn't find the stick and gave up :( Still, Martyr Wraps and Wharlgarble ought to be good enough for anyone. Add earthmother for shorter scenarios, mix in silly monk setups for longer :)
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Re: Desktop Dungeons Suggestions

Postby Lynzkar on Wed May 07, 2014 7:56 am

I tried to balance it out a little bit. I would love some response from someone that is more exprienced with what would be balanced and what that is not.
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Re: Desktop Dungeons Suggestions

Postby Blovski on Wed May 07, 2014 6:55 pm

As I've never really been a stacking monster I'm probably not fully cognizant of all the issues.

Basically what you have is

A) Corrosion stacking. Very strong. Not really sure how you're meant to balance that especially with a Martyr Wraps and EM around for further boosting.

B) Huge mana restore. 6-8 mana restored per popcorn kill is incredibly strong. You'll have an extra 40 mana at least for the boss fight.
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C) Free resist breaching (normally only available with RBS, Piercing Wand or Gods) + slight boost

D) powerful glyph (with conversion value) for not enormously huge disadvantages

My theory is that you'll want something with slightly less stuff on it. All the classes kind of have to have a focus and this sort of has several. I'd go for something like this:

A) Corrosion stacking, damage penalties, dunno how much you'll need but probably more than you think.
B) Free Getindare. Unconvertible.
C) Small size, -20% health (starting and per level).
D) 1 extra corrosion for at least 200 CP probably. Maybe more.
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Re: Desktop Dungeons Suggestions

Postby Lynzkar on Wed May 07, 2014 7:02 pm

Blovski wrote:A) Corrosion stacking. Very strong. Not really sure how you're meant to balance that especially with a Martyr Wraps and EM around for further boosting.

I just unlocked Matyr Wraps today, so I'm trying to find away to rebalance it now. Also, if you have any suggestions to balance it (As i have yet to unlock all items, ect) I'd love to get some reponses from more expirienced players on how to balance it.
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Re: Desktop Dungeons Suggestions

Postby The Avatar on Wed May 07, 2014 7:30 pm

Looking at your current iteration, I would say scavenger is a bit too powerful, but Combat knowledge is either redundant if you go full corrosion (as corrosion overrides resists), or super powerful in combination with RBS and Chaos Avatar (-65% resists). Also, your CP is still to low. I would make it 150 CP (+50 stacking), so for 5 layers it is 900 CP, a reachable but not easily reachable goal.

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Re: Desktop Dungeons Suggestions

Postby Lynzkar on Wed May 07, 2014 8:38 pm

Anyone got any suggestions for what I could swap the "combat knowledge" with? I'm really out of ideas that would work well, and still be unquie and balanced.
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