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Re: Any hope for a tweak patch?

Postby Tinker on Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:52 am

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Re: Any hope for a tweak patch?

Postby Astral on Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:47 pm

I agree on that, that level catapulting all the time is unneeded, I only suggested it since 1 ding for the boss fights is not enough for all situations, and to gather more popcorn it's most convenient with the Sorcerer's power by level catapults.

You're also right that for the same CP other races get better benefits. Goblins are one of my least favorite race due to it too. But in the case of a MA Sorcerer with creating more dings in mind this seems to be the best solution.

And what makes me believe that setting up more dings is important?

Today's first run produced this:
http://s28.postimg.org/5vwrdf7gt/doubledoom.png

I was quite relaxed when I found out my 1st boss was Frank. It's well within MA's reach. But when I finished regenfighting my latest meatman and found an SMM below it my carelessness went away. Now I know why the place is called Double Doom :P
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Re: Any hope for a tweak patch?

Postby Tinker on Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:10 pm

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Re: Any hope for a tweak patch?

Postby Astral on Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:55 pm

Yeah it was a VT run. I had my reasons for overexploring. I was looking for the other boss to finally kill something, lvl 7s were part of my popcorn (I prepared 3 dings :P) and since I found the high level meatmen I didn't bother with killing the goo either. My subs were still ~fully loaded with blackspace though.
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Re: Any hope for a tweak patch?

Postby Tinker on Wed Jan 07, 2015 10:37 pm

I had no hopes of replicating Frank+SMM so I went to the only place SMM is guaratneed to spawn:

http://i.imgur.com/fZoNojf.png

I played a bit sloppy and opened myself up to RNG screw... I was only level 7 when I killed the goo and Level 8 when I killed the SMM. I took a gamble to go in without Flame Magnet which turned out to be silly-silly-silly because I found it in the last 10% of the level. I didn't have anything castery lockered so I just took a Battlemage Ring from my backpack (normally I'd take the Crystal Ball) but I think that part turned out all right. Still, firepower is firepower... I think that if you really had lots of blackspace left, you could have won the DD map even from there. You had a really awesome setup with Whurgarbl, lots of gold, and all basic boons already picked up.
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Re: Any hope for a tweak patch?

Postby Astral on Wed Jan 07, 2015 11:27 pm

No worries, I did win too. I was just curious of your reaction. The picture I posted may seem unwinnable, but 3 dings go in a long way securing a win. Not to mention my incredible altar luck for a caster.

http://postimg.org/image/6aobova6t/

The point I was trying to make, that while extra dings may sound unnecessary, every once in a while you may need them. They give you a lot of power and utility even if using it makes your character look weak at the start of the bossfight.

The conversions at the end were mostly for fun, so I can save my items and 3 unused potions. And it's good to experience Protection in it's full glory. Take it with 29 mana and it refills 10, so it becomes a superior Clearence.

Oh and I wanted to mention I finally grew to appreciate this strat thanks to You. It IS powerful after all and can be really fun.
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Re: Any hope for a tweak patch?

Postby Tinker on Wed Jan 07, 2015 11:54 pm

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Re: Any hope for a tweak patch?

Postby Astral on Thu Jan 08, 2015 1:09 am

Thanks :)

Nah I won't try to argue about Gobs anymore. I found that combining a level catapult with a single mana potion is a very reliable way to destroy high level monsters, so my last concern, the ability to roll through the dungeon is gone too.

Beautiful kill!

Just to mention I created a satisfying VT Dwarf strat finally. Try the Dwarf Paladin of Dracul with extra attack boosters some fluff and a prepped Dragon Shield. At lvl 1-2 remove low level undead. Then join Drac, if needed convert health potions and grab Blood Shield instantly. Only spend as much resources as needed, since from now on you'll be casting halpme a lot and piety will stay at around 0.

Here comes the funny part. How to use glyphs? Just don't. Convert them all for +HP including Burndayraz. You'll be surprised how effective it is. Same goes for shop items. Buy things that boost damage, or are good CP fodders. Only a few items are worth keeping (Vampiric Blade, Tower Shield, Elven Boots etc.).

If you boosted your health well fights will look like this: you stand next to a 2-3 level higher foe, keep punching it, use 2 halpmes and he dies. No fancy level catapults either. Just plain old clicking. Sometimes you may want to explore 2 tiles for a 3rd Halpme, that's how far tactics go.

At around lvl 6 you can grab a few sparkles/kill popcorn/convert more health potions to grab 10% sanguine. Since your health will be ~20/lvl in avarage you don't feel the health loss. The added basedamage is nice, but the important thing is that now you can kill even higher level monsters just by drinking 1-2 bloodpools. Keep on leveling, and prioritize undeads for your kills, so your popcorn becomes a nice piety source later.

Start the bossfight at around lvl 8. If it's weak, you can kill it in a single ding, or not even that :D
Make sure that you only start slaying popcorn after casting halpme, so no piety will be lost. With whatever ways you want go for 15-20% sanguine, bloodcurse included. Your 2nd boss will be mercilessly torn apart.

The only important part of the strategy is to never pick up Blood Hunger, you can't afford to lose resists.

To speak about the strengths of the strat, I always win parched, dingmax, unstoppable, specialist with it. One time I threw in miser too on a plant level with the spoons and stuff. Never took Bloodswells, had many runs where I only drank 2-3 bloodpools during the entire run.
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Re: Any hope for a tweak patch?

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Re: Any hope for a tweak patch?

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