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Re: Badgemonger

Postby Astral on Tue Jan 27, 2015 10:50 pm

Hmm, I must have misremembered the knockback damage part then :(

And I don't think that map has secret subs so if you can't reach lvl2 the this strat is worthless.
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Re: Badgemonger

Postby Darvin on Tue Jan 27, 2015 11:13 pm

Astral wrote:And I don't think that map has secret subs so if you can't reach lvl2 the this strat is worthless.

Nope, no secret subdungeons in Western Jungle. This means you'll need a subdungeon to boost your fighting power at the 1st level, and titan guitar is out. It might be feasible if you could find some way to reach 121 hit points. With only boosters and the baseline half-dragon bonus, however, that'll require level 9. I wouldn't say this is impossible, but it looks like a very tall order.
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Re: Badgemonger

Postby Astral on Tue Jan 27, 2015 11:50 pm

Too bad. A lucky blacksmith secret sub would give you a bearmace to increase your KB to the required amount for both cheeky and the bosskill.

A big problem for these runs is how to grab cheeky. Even with the halfdragon's extra health no lvl2 monster is killable warmonger style.

Can you get the vampire chef sub on the west? A couple of those +5 hp recipes could let you earn cheeky, and after lvl2 you can palntcannon high level monsters for bonus xp. If you manage to reach lvl 8 you can also kill the boss.

In the meantime I came up with a different idea. Bloodmage is HS. You pray for getting a very early Orb of Lusory and that will be your ticket for cheeky. You're keep hunting for magical strikers and if your 2nd boss is the Firstborn or something else easy you spike it with bloodpools.
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Re: Badgemonger

Postby Darvin on Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:29 am

Astral wrote:Can you get the vampire chef sub on the west? A couple of those +5 hp recipes could let you earn cheeky, and after lvl2 you can palntcannon high level monsters for bonus xp. If you manage to reach lvl 8 you can also kill the boss.

Vegetarian Vampire is only in rotation in the south. The only western-spawning subdungeons that look feasible for this are the Grove of Knowledge and A New World (aka Soko Trolls). Nothing else will give you front-loaded benefits that are usable for an 11-badge run.

In the meantime I came up with a different idea. Bloodmage is HS. You pray for getting a very early Orb of Lusory and that will be your ticket for cheeky. You're keep hunting for magical strikers and if your 2nd boss is the Firstborn or something else easy you spike it with bloodpools.

The Indomitable is (ironically) one of the flimsiest bosses out there, so this might be doable with a good secondary boss pull. You'll need to scum to get your stars aligned right for this, though.
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Re: Badgemonger

Postby Astral on Wed Jan 28, 2015 10:27 am

I see, then the only option in WJ is to take the +50 xp at lvl1. And hopefully, you can earn enough bonus xp for Ding Max too.
I don't think a +2 sword or the other trinkets from the soko troll sub will let you kill even a lvl2 bandit.

In HS can you get Unstoppable if you removed high lvl illusions with the orb?
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Re: Badgemonger

Postby Tinker on Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:54 pm

I think Ding! Max! could become an issue if you remove the illusions, given how it's hard to get bonus XP otherwise.

My line of thought for getting the badges in one run was to rely on abilities that are not prohibited by badges, like Sanguine (Bloodmage), Learning (Fighter), First Strike (Rogue/Assassin), Magic Resistance (Monk/Berserker), or stuff on the floor like the rightfully mentioned Orb of Lusory. Tinker also allows a way to snatch a single item, as well as to access the secret sub, however I don't think that alone is sufficient to beat a VT dungeon Purist (let alone do so without worship, glyphs, conversions, etc.).
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Re: Badgemonger

Postby Darvin on Wed Jan 28, 2015 4:53 pm

In HS can you get Unstoppable if you removed high lvl illusions with the orb?

Monster removal effects don't count against unstoppable. Same goes for having a high-level monster removed in Hexx Ruins by Stheno, or using GG humility on a high-level monster.
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