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Lynzkar attempts to rainbow vicious dungeons, a DD diary

Postby Lynzkar on Fri May 08, 2015 9:02 pm

No complains, I love these dungeons, probary one of my favorites, along with havendale bridge, and Berzerker camp.
Anyways, regardless I would love some advice namatar's lair, in general. (I've beaten it a couple of times with pissorf spam)
And for demonic libary, some advice on beating it with monk, crusader, berzeker, rat monarch and getting the warmonger & vicious token.
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Re: Demonic Library & Namatar's Lair

Postby Tinker on Fri May 08, 2015 9:54 pm

Lynzkar wrote:Anyways, regardless I would love some advice namatar's lair, in general. (I've beaten it a couple of times with pissorf spam)

There's a wiki page with some general advice, maybe a good place to start.

And for demonic libary, some advice on beating it with monk, crusader, berzeker, rat monarch and getting the warmonger & vicious token.

I did warmonger with the Dracul Paladin and VT with the Gnome Bloodmage. Both relatively recently bragged about in the bragging topic.

I'm a bit puzzled about advice for Crusader, that's one of the easiest classes. I went Gnome but that's just me :) again, I wrote it up in the brag topic, because it was such a straighforward fun run. Monk is normally Orc, Berserker can be human orc or halfling (50% mr pretty much kills 2 demon lords and gives you an edge against the djinn, which should be a big enough advantage to get rid of the rest). Rat is probably straightforward again - I found PISORF so I chained them up nicely and corroded one high-level Armor and one of the demon lords, and pushed them into the others until they all dropped. But you can do more or less the same with fireballs, though you do need to corrode everyone a little then (instead of mass-corroding only a few monsters). I'm normally JJ on the Rat but others should also work...

Don't want to over-prescribe any strat because the fun part of DD is figuring out how to do stuff (that, and coping with the RNG :) ).
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Re: Demonic Library & Namatar's Lair

Postby Darvin on Fri May 08, 2015 10:00 pm

Tinker wrote:I'm a bit puzzled about advice for Crusader, that's one of the easiest classes.

Agreed. I totally get having trouble with unconventional classes or badges on these dungeons, but Crusader is one of the best classes for Demonic Library. High damage classes are well equipped to carve their way through those relatively fragile sub-bosses at low levels. Take Namtar's Ward for guaranteed death protection to ensure survival, and Crusader carves through the Demonic Library like a hot knife through butter. He's also one of only a handful of classes that can realistically take down Thralls for higher-level kills without a lucky shop find.

Don't want to over-prescribe any strat because the fun part of DD is figuring out how to do stuff (that, and coping with the RNG :) ).

This can't be emphasized enough. Due to the inherent randomness in the dungeon generation, you have to go in with a degree of flexibility. Even the best plans need to be tailored to the exact situation you find on the dungeon floor.
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Re: Demonic Library & Namatar's Lair

Postby Lynzkar on Fri May 08, 2015 10:26 pm

My biggest problem so far has been to level up, I rarely get past level 5 without uncovering most of the map, or using all my popcorn
Anyways I will try to run around a bit with the crusader and rat monarch in the library tomorrow. (by tomorrow, i mean today, it's 00:26 for me, when I'm posting this) this was probary not neccsesary to inform you about, but I did it anyways, idunno why. You are welcome?
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Re: Demonic Library & Namatar's Lair

Postby Darvin on Fri May 08, 2015 10:36 pm

Lynzkar wrote:My biggest problem so far has been to level up, I rarely get past level 5 without uncovering most of the map, or using all my popcorn

Namtar's Ward with Orc conversion bonus will go a long way there. Don't be afraid to use those charges, they're wasted if you don't put 'em to use. GG, Binlor, JJ, and Earthmother (very high chance at least one of the above will spawn) can be used to get reliable boosts to your durability. GG and JJ offer great long-term potential, while Binlor and Earthmother are great launching points for conversion, so they're pretty good deity choices in general.

The Amulet of Yendor and Balanced Dagger are both great choices if you're having trouble getting off the ground, but given the power-leveling the Orc Crusader can do I don't think they're worth your preparation slot over Namtar's Ward.
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Re: Demonic Library & Namatar's Lair

Postby sitnaltax on Sat May 09, 2015 3:05 am

Namtar's Lair has that killer 150% multiplier AND a lot of walls, limiting the available blackspace. I think Balanced Dagger is a pretty good prep there--at least it was at +3, and it's probably still ok at +2. If you happen to find WONAFYT, it's smooth sailing. One trick in NL is to not explore walls until you have to; the rooms are rectangular so you should often be able to explore for loot/monsters and save the walls for regen when everything else is gone.

DL takes practice, but once you get used to the tricks, I think it's the most manageable of the Vicious dungeons. The key is that you get a ton of resources--125 gold and a bunch of XP from the bosses--so you can blow almost everything fighting the minibosses. You should be able to buy everything in the shops, or close to it. The bosses hit moderately, but have low HP. Knowing how to use knockback and burning to knock off DPs cheaply is key both for the bosses and the Doom Armors, which are maybe the tamest monsters in this otherwise hostile monster mix. As for Avatar, he hits like a kitten and regen fighting will take you quite a ways; often you can also get a cheap ding off of the monsters he summons. If you have any DPs, reflex potions, etc. save them for after he berserks. BYCEPPS, the Martyr Wraps, or some other way of crushing his resists is helpful but not necessary at all.

The minibosses here always spawn in the same location, and it can be helpful to remember where they do. I usually start fighting them from 6->7, kill the first, heal up, kill a few more monsters, 7->8 as I kill the next.
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Re: Demonic Library & Namatar's Lair

Postby Lynzkar on Sat May 09, 2015 9:05 am

I haven't unlocked the Balanced dagger on my current playthrough yet, guess I've gotta focus on that. I just really dislike theif silver :I
Edit : Okay, I have now unlocked the balanced dagger
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Re: Demonic Library & Namatar's Lair

Postby Tinker on Sat May 09, 2015 5:40 pm

sitnaltax wrote:Namtar's Lair has that killer 150% multiplier AND a lot of walls, limiting the available blackspace. I think Balanced Dagger is a pretty good prep there--at least it was at +3, and it's probably still ok at +2. If you happen to find WONAFYT, it's smooth sailing.

I wouldn't prepare the nerfed Balanced Dagger. My advice would be, if you're worried about XP, go with Yendor; or just bring along something instead that actually helps you do what you want to do (i.e. Dwarven Gauntlets, Mage Plate, Dragon Shield, Namtar's Ward, etc.). Balanced Dagger at +2 XP per same-level kill is still a good purchase if you chance upon it in a store, just not a very good prep anymore.
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Re: Demonic Library & Namatar's Lair

Postby Lynzkar on Tue May 12, 2015 8:35 am

Rather proud of this, took me a couple of times, once I finaly got a utility glyph it made is much easier.
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Edit : incase anyone is intrested in my progress on the demonic libary (I haven't started to namatar's yet, tho i did beat it once with orc wizard, for the ward)
I have beaten it with, Fighter, Warlord, Transmuter, Theif, Rouge, Assassin, Half-Dragon, Monk, Paladin, Tinker, Gorgon, Wizard, Sorcerer, Bloodmage, Chemist, Goatperson. I have the badges, Cheeky, DING max!, Feeling Parched, Purist, Specialist, Unstoppable.
I'm not entirely sure what to pick for warmonger, I'm thinking orc monk might be the best option for it.
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Re: Demonic Library & Namatar's Lair

Postby Lynzkar on Fri May 15, 2015 5:58 pm

Okay, so I'm reviving this thread again, because I really don't know how to do demonic libary warmonger. I've been trying with half-dragon of bilnor, as the knockback and physical + magical damage should make it easier. But I still have problem with resources. Any suggestions for preps or anything speccific I should search for (and reset if not found)?
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