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Re: the difference between decent and skilled play?

Postby Lujo on Thu May 19, 2016 9:31 pm

Thanks Darvin, but we already worked it out somewhat via PM's and put each other on ignore before even Dislekcia came around. The ignore thing isn't a "I hate you, you're my rival/foe/whatever" thing, it's really just a safety measure. Thanx for you offer to mediate, though, might end up useful because while we can communicate (as in, we can see each other's PM's and are quite capable of bantering) we can't see each other's posts.
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Re: the difference between decent and skilled play?

Postby Darvin on Thu May 19, 2016 9:58 pm

Lujo wrote:Thanks Darvin, but we already worked it out somewhat via PM's and put each other on ignore before even Dislekcia came around. The ignore thing isn't a "I hate you, you're my rival/foe/whatever" thing, it's really just a safety measure. Thanx for you offer to mediate, though, might end up useful because while we can communicate (as in, we can see each other's PM's and are quite capable of bantering) we can't see each other's posts.

I'll have to be careful when responding to you guys, then, so stuff doesn't look horribly out of context :lol:

In any case, an agreement to disagree is probably the best that can be hoped for at this point. Now let's see if we can get a memorandum of agreement regarding the wiki.
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Re: the difference between decent and skilled play?

Postby dislekcia on Thu May 19, 2016 10:16 pm

Darvin, Tinker seems perfectly reasonable and simply responds to Lujo's barbs with a lot more tact and niceness than he deserves. I don't believe that this is a situation where "both sides" are equally incorrect, Tinker's behavior has been great for the forum as a whole, Lujo's has not. As much as Lujo's criticisms were taken into account during the beta (often despite his general abusiveness), that does not excuse or justify poor behavior towards anyone on this forum.

I'm perfectly happy to ban Lujo yet again, this time permanently, with the knowledge that it will actually help improve the DD forum community. I don't need his "respect" to do that, I just need to get annoyed at his bad behavior yet again.
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Re: the difference between decent and skilled play?

Postby Darvin on Thu May 19, 2016 10:41 pm

dislekcia wrote:Darvin, Tinker seems perfectly reasonably and simply responds to Lujo's barbs with a lot more tact and niceness than he deserves. I don't believe that this is a situation where "both sides" are equally incorrect, Tinker's behavior has been great for the forum as a whole, Lujo's has not.

This isn't a matter of assigning blame or taking sides. This is about finding a way to make peace without banning someone (and we all know who that someone would be). My dictate a few posts back is not meant to be a punishment to either Lujo or Tinker, but rather a framework for avoiding yet another repeat of these toxic exchanges. If they have themselves on mutual ignore, then that should work.

I don't need his "respect" to do that, I just need to get annoyed at his bad behavior yet again.

If it isn't obvious, I would prefer to avoid that outcome. Lujo's lack of respect for you means that a ban (and the threat thereof) is your only recourse, which is why I should have stepped in earlier before it had reached this critical point.
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Re: the difference between decent and skilled play?

Postby Lujo on Thu May 19, 2016 10:45 pm

Err, i'd be willing to demonstrate respect in whatever way if it means we can end this conversation? Me and Tinker worked it out - I don't want to get banned, and you don't need to ban me. I'm terrified of responding in any way, and I'm terrified of Darvin's current talk of my level of respect towards you because I don't want that discussed and it's irrelevant - however I feel about whoever, I'm not the boss on these forums. Let's not go around proving this by banning me from them, please?
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Re: the difference between decent and skilled play?

Postby Darvin on Thu May 19, 2016 10:59 pm

Lujo wrote:Err, i'd be willing to demonstrate respect in whatever way if it means we can end this conversation? Me and Tinker worked it out - I don't want to get banned, and you don't need to ban me. I'm terrified of responding in any way, and I'm terrified of Darvin's current talk of my level of respect towards you because I don't want that discussed and it's irrelevant

I'd agree that it's probably best for this part of the conversation to end. I'm basically looking for an "agree to disagree" resolution at this point, so if we can all walk away with that (and an understanding that Tinker and Lujo simply will not be talking to each other anymore, thus precluding such exchanges in the future) then that's a win in my books.

If you would like to lock this thread given how derailed it has become, dislekcia, then that would be welcome.
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Re: the difference between decent and skilled play?

Postby dislekcia on Fri May 20, 2016 11:18 am

If the solution is bascially "Lujo stops talking to someone", how is "stop Lujo talking to anyone" not simply a better solution?

This remains an option, it's up to Lujo to prove that he can grow the list of people happy to interact with him, rather than shrink it.
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