Poll: most popular class

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What's your favorite class?

Fighter
1
2%
Berserker
4
10%
Warlord
5
12%
Thief
3
7%
Rogue
8
20%
Assassin
5
12%
Priest
1
2%
Monk
6
15%
Paladin
2
5%
Wizard
2
5%
Sorcerer
3
7%
Bloodmage
1
2%
 
Total votes : 41

Re: Poll: most popular class

Postby PeaceChaser on Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:27 am

I think this poll shows that the class design is really, really good. No class is universally favored above all of the rest, and all of the classes are used. Even the fighter, who has 0 votes, who may not be anybody's favorite - you can't argue that he isn't useful and fun to play once in a while. I'm surprised the wizard has 0 votes too. I love the wizard!
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Re: Poll: most popular class

Postby TigerKnee on Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:57 am

Really? Because I think that means those two need a buff. They really stink.
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Re: Poll: most popular class

Postby Galefury on Fri Aug 12, 2011 12:24 pm

I like the Wizard. It was one of my favorites in the alpha and is still good and fun IMO. Just not one of my favorites anymore.

Fighter is nice as a starting class, but not terribly interesting later on because none of his features really change the gameplay. They just offer small bonuses that are hard to leverage into something useful and have little synergy with anything. The +1 exp is quite strong but only comes to bear late in the game when you go around collecting all those stray low level enemies.
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Re: Poll: most popular class

Postby Nandrew on Fri Aug 12, 2011 2:05 pm

I'm quite happy to keep the Fighter where he is, to be honest. His traits are generally designed to be newbie-friendly, and I think he fulfills that role well enough for less veteran players.
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Re: Poll: most popular class

Postby PeaceChaser on Fri Aug 12, 2011 2:18 pm

TigerKnee wrote:Really? Because I think that means those two need a buff. They really stink.


Do they still get the same piety from MA, even though their spells cost less? It basically translates to cheaper piety. However, that leaves them pretty specialized on what deity to use, but then again, most mage classes use MA anyway.

They previously had a useful characteristic that I believe lost some merit in this version: the fact that they could carry 4 glyphs instead of 3. Doesn't seem quite as useful now, I agree. Since they have a weaker attack, I wonder if they could have their fireball or attacks reduce enemy magic resistance by 5% or something like that?
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Re: Poll: most popular class

Postby TigerKnee on Fri Aug 12, 2011 4:31 pm

PeaceChaser wrote:Do they still get the same piety from MA, even though their spells cost less? It basically translates to cheaper piety.


When I suggested the new piety system, I did mention that Wizards should get the same piety even though they spend less.

I haven't actually tested it yet though so I don't know whether it works that way.

Anyway, the thing about the -1 mana cost is that... well, Sorceror just gets a giant 5 MP boost and Blood Mage... well, for the purpose of burst damage it gets nothing so let's just stick with a Wizard vs Sorceror comparison.

You would need to cast a spell 5 times to break even with Sorceror's class feature. That's really not easy to do when casting Fireballs.

Hmm, I guess Helpmeh and Bysseps would be the best to take advantage of this but Wizard SORT of loses its 4 glyph slots bonus in this version. The class seems to have very bad equipment carrying ability.

Ironically it doesn't quite synergize with MA because MA hates it when you convert glyphs, while Wizards get extra mana for converting glyphs. They also rely on fireballs more vs Cydstepp or Warlord who doesn't care about the Magic Resistance increase from MA boon.
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Re: Poll: most popular class

Postby Zaratustra on Fri Aug 12, 2011 4:34 pm

I like Rogue or Assassin when I'm farming for some item or feature and do not intend to kill the boss. Otherwise, Berserker.
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Re: Poll: most popular class

Postby q 3 on Fri Aug 12, 2011 5:12 pm

Wizards get 1 piety for every 2 mana spent, just like every other class. So do Berserkers. Weirdly, this makes Berserkers just as good at getting piety from Mysteria as Wizards are...

Fighters are a nice all-around class for attempting dungeons without preparations. Although they don't have a specialty where they're really strong, they don't have any particular weakness either so they can adapt to just about any situation.
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Re: Poll: most popular class

Postby Wargizmo on Sat Aug 13, 2011 9:31 am

I don't think Wizards are bad, but sorcerer just seems so much better, with the extra 5 mana you can still cast more fireballs than a wizard who just gets the spell 1 mana cheaper, and you build more piety with it if you worship Mysteria. Plus you get the amazing healing bonus for using spells and don't get a sword damage penalty, the mana shield is just gravy. Wizard gets an extra glyph and knows the location of glyphs, but to be honest I've never really had a problem with not getting the right glyphs or locating them, sorcerer can easily level up with sword while searching for fireball anyway, or can just use the Magnet: Fire preparation.
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Re: Poll: most popular class

Postby TigerKnee on Sat Aug 13, 2011 10:23 am

I think the wizard might become a competitive class IF either the damage penalty is removed OR the mana cost reduction is improved...?

One thing I find weird is that Wizards are actually better at using byssep/helpmeh than most class, which seems completely counterproductive, while anything remotely expensive is better with a Sorceror and his straight 5 mana pool bonus. Especially with the elf nerf compared to alpha.

For some reason though, glyphs seems to be set by location in this version, not beating classes? I don't think I ever seen Helpmeh spawn in the early dungeons for example.

I kind of want to see the mana cost reduction changed to something like... -2 mana cost if cost of spell is 5 or above.

Makes Wizards better for Fireball spamming and using the utility glyphs, which tends to be expensive more often than not.

The glyph sight ability is honestly less powerful with the Magnet: X preparations, but still useful. I never really felt it absolutely necessary to get to glyphs asaps though compared to gods.
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