Beta Update: an open letter to the Kingdom

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Re: Beta Update: an open letter to the Kingdom

Postby The Avatar on Sat Oct 01, 2011 8:15 pm

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Re: Beta Update: an open letter to the Kingdom

Postby The Avatar on Sat Oct 01, 2011 8:34 pm

They should make namtar's ward stack it's death protections with it's being last priority and possibly reduce hp penalty to one per level, but then it might be too good.
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Re: Beta Update: an open letter to the Kingdom

Postby The Avatar on Sat Oct 01, 2011 9:23 pm

They should add more northern dungeons that part of the map seems rather barren
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Re: Beta Update: an open letter to the Kingdom

Postby Darvin on Sun Oct 02, 2011 12:55 am

The Avatar wrote:They should add more northern dungeons that part of the map seems rather barren

I suspect that's coming.

They should make namtar's ward stack it's death protections with it's being last priority and possibly reduce hp penalty to one per level, but then it might be too good.

Stacking death protection... no. It'd be fine if the HP cost was taken away altogether. As it stands, taking a permanent penalty for a temporary benefit is a horrible trade on an item that can only ever be brought in as a preparation. If you could buy this thing in the middle of the dungeon, then it might be a decent item, but it's pretty well useless as a preparation.
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Re: Beta Update: an open letter to the Kingdom

Postby The Avatar on Sun Oct 02, 2011 2:22 pm

So a winning run should go something like this.
1) Find helpmeh agnostics collar and GG
2) Use humility at lev 2 and when you get to 85 piety use absolution and convert to dracul
3) Immediately take blood shield, blood curse/ descrate altars so you can switch to MA asap
4) Go into the arena convert to MA get last boss as low as possible spam magic boon to get magic to 18 then kill boss
5) once out of potions convert to GG for protection and then eventually dracul for bloodswell desecrating altars when necessary.
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Re: Beta Update: an open letter to the Kingdom

Postby Darvin on Sun Oct 02, 2011 4:36 pm

blood curse/ descrate altars so you can switch to MA asap

DO NOT blood curse. Use desecration alone to facilitate the switch. One of the big advantages of humility on this level is that you'll get one more level-up during the boss fights, which is a full heal and mana boost. That's easily worth more than 20 piety. Otherwise yes, you got it.

You don't need to do it perfectly, either. I didn't have Dracul on the surface level in my second successfuly run, and instead grabbed Tikki Tooki for dodging. Using Mystera's refreshment between fighting individual bosses can also be a nice one. In both of my runs, I didn't find HALPMEH, either.

I do highly recommend the thief with a dragon shield preparation. Orc and Dwarf both worked fine for me, dwarf worked a little better I'd say.
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Re: Beta Update: an open letter to the Kingdom

Postby The Avatar on Sun Oct 02, 2011 6:19 pm

The one problem I'm having with dwarfs is I cannot get high enough attack
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Re: Beta Update: an open letter to the Kingdom

Postby The Avatar on Sun Oct 02, 2011 7:27 pm

I seem to need tri-sword or berserker blade, agnostics collar, tower shield, HALPMEH, and GG+drac up top.

My criteria is if I can kill lord gobb potion-less.
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Re: Beta Update: an open letter to the Kingdom

Postby Darvin on Sun Oct 02, 2011 7:41 pm

The one problem I'm having with dwarfs is I cannot get high enough attack

Then use the Orc instead of the dwarf. I had success with both.

I seem to need tri-sword or berserker blade, agnostics collar, tower shield, HALPMEH, and GG+drac up top.

I didn't have trisword or berserker blade or HALPMEH and one of GG or Dracul was missing on the surface in both my successful runs. The only must have stuff on the surface is agnostic's collar and a god that offers decent boons and piety gain (Taurog is the only wasted alter that offers no worthwhile boons; Binlor, Mystera, and Tikki Tooki are all totally workable on the surface and there's enough piety to facilitate swapping around on the lower levels... though you may have to forgo bloodshield). So long as you can enter the lower level with 100 piety and have agnostic's collar to earn more, it shouldn't matter that you didn't have GG or Dracul on the surface.

My criteria is if I can kill lord gobb potion-less.

You should be able to handle that with only HALPMEH, Dragon Shield, and Bloodshield. A level 10 with decent mana and high resists should cleave through Lord Gobb easily.


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Re: Beta Update: an open letter to the Kingdom

Postby gjaustin on Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:36 am

Just managed to beat Naga City without finding either an Agnostic's Collar or Tri-sword in a store. I ended up not even having to desecrate any altars.

Used a Dwarf Thief with Dragon Shield and the 2 HP to 2 Attack preps, Reflex/Whupaz potions (and others)
Bought two extra potions, a Tower Shield, and a Badge of Courage
Found CYDSTEPP
Started with Binlor, got Stone Fist, then got up to 100 piety.
Converted to Glowing Guardian, Humilty, used Absolution around level 5, used Enlightenment.
Entered the arena at level 8, which helped since I got two level ups while fighting.
Converted to Mystera to build piety (and use Refreshment), then converted back to Glowing Guardian after I used my potions
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