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Re: Show me your Veto Slots

Postby Darvin on Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:45 pm

Problem with Dragonshield is more resist stacking than anything. Combine Blood Shield with the appropriate piece of Taurog gear and you've got 50% resists. If you don't have the luxury of doing this, it's really nothing too special. In fact, against most monsters the platemail is better.
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Re: Show me your Veto Slots

Postby The Avatar on Fri Jul 20, 2012 1:18 am

Hmm... Then what? Perhaps make the scale give curse resistance of some sort and 5% resist to both.
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Re: Show me your Veto Slots

Postby Lujo on Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:16 am

True about the resist stacking, but because of Dragonshield being what it is - it's the go-to choice for resist stacking instead of a post-end game thing. That was the "figured it out part". If you want your resists stacked as high as they go - you go Dragonshield, every other choice is strictly suboptimal.
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Re: Show me your Veto Slots

Postby Fran on Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:50 am

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Re: Show me your Veto Slots

Postby The Avatar on Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:43 pm

Platemail is better if your going for a few resists, but the Dragon Shield surpasses it when you're resists are higher. If you convert the Dragon Shield at 65% resists (taking you to 47%) you'll usually lose more that the plate mail (except on REALLY low damage bosses).
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Re: Show me your Veto Slots

Postby Darvin on Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:18 pm

Because damage resistance is applied before resistance, the platemail is indeed worse for resist stackers.

Take a 40% resist level 10 character attacking a 100 damage boss. With nothing additional, you take 60 damage.

With the platemail, the damage is reduced to 80 and then you take 40% of that, which is 48 damage. The platemail, due to the order of operations, was only a 12 point reduction, not 20.

With the dragonshield, you go up to 58% resists. You take 42 damage from that 100 damage enemy, which is actually better than the platemail. Against higher damage enemies or for lower-level characters, this improves further.


In general platemail is better, but for resist stackers the dragonshield is still your better bet.
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Re: Show me your Veto Slots

Postby Fran on Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:31 pm

This is right, I didn't know before that damage is calculated this way.
For attack under a certain threshold, however, my argument stays the same, and I think you can save enough ressources on monsters by using the platemail instead of the shield so that the difference at the boss is mitigated.
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Re: Show me your Veto Slots

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Re: Show me your Veto Slots

Postby Lujo on Sun Jul 22, 2012 11:39 am

Platemail is low-dedication damage resistance (in terms of inventory space, fuel, farm, finding it), but really really powerfull, among outer things because it works on both phys and magic damage. I like finding it even on dedicated stackers who I have to build from 0 or just Dragonshield (like a Crusader) because every little bit helps. And its not a little bit at all.
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Re: Show me your Veto Slots

Postby The Avatar on Sun Jul 22, 2012 2:06 pm

Agreed. Plate mail is my number one favorite buy. It's also in my top 3 preps list.
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