Dungeon of the Day - 2

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Re: Dungeon of the Day - 2

Postby gjaustin on Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:31 pm

Ugh, I had a post that apparently got eaten. Here's my shortened rehash:

I disagree with the new scoring system because it assumes too much about what resulted in higher scores. No one should be surprised that Warmonger and Faithless were underrepresented in the challenge including the Paladin.

If we had been doing monster classes, Hoarder would have gone up to 6 and Warmonger would have dropped to 4!

I don't like calculating things solely based on the high scores, since it ends up with incorrect scorings, such as Hoarder being considered much easier than Warmonger. (i.e. a Hoarder only run is harder since it forces you into a partial Purist, Miser, and Warmonger since you're stuck with only six inventory slots).
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Re: Dungeon of the Day - 2

Postby The Avatar on Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:16 pm

I personally like the new scoring.
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Re: Dungeon of the Day - 2

Postby Darvin on Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:32 pm

No one should be surprised that Warmonger and Faithless were underrepresented in the challenge including the Paladin.

No one forced people to play as a Paladin; it was one of three classes available. The Priest and Monk were available on round 2, and both are strong warmonger and faithless candidates. People who attempted this approach scored significantly lower than Paladins that did a purist/hoarder approach, and on round 1 we had free-selection of any class you wanted. This isn't comparable to using the monster classes. I do realize we're dealing with statistics here, and correlation does not imply causation. However, it's enough that I want to at least try shifting the scores around.

In any event, if you want to single out the biggest culprit for warmonger underperforming, look no further than me. I posted the highest score and forsook warmonger on both occasions, driving up the relative score of every other medal by a significant margin. If you remove my scores from the pool, warmonger actually is the highest-scoring medal. The fact is that my high-glyph-usage/low-conversion approach consistently scored better than anyone else, indicating to me that the current scoring system is over-valuing my specific playstyle.

Interestingly enough, this new scoring system caused Sidestepper's faithless/warmonger monk run to tie the Avatar's hoarder/purist paladin run. That seems to indicate that this score change actually brings things into line.
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Re: Dungeon of the Day - 2

Postby Lujo on Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:46 pm

What's the next run? I'm curious if I can reach it and my bank is getting full with nothing to spend gold on so I have to bust open a new 2nd directional dungeon. I got South up to Hex, but I can participate in and 1st and 2nd tier directional run, most likely (got gold to unlock relevant class that unlocks a dungeon).

My class/deitiy selection is a bit limited though...
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Re: Dungeon of the Day - 2

Postby The Avatar on Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:57 pm

The final standings!

1st place: Darvin - Elf Paladin - 25
Hoarder
Purist
Faithless
Unstoppable
Parched
Miser
Ding! Max
Specialist
Cheeky


2nd place: Avatar - Goblin Paladin - 21
Parched
Hoarder
Miser
Purist
Cheeky
Ding! Max
Unstoppable


3rd place: Sidestepper - Orc Monk - 17
Warmonger
Parched
Faithless
Purist
Cheeky
Specialist


4th place: Dreamdancer - Halfling Priest - 10
Cheeky
Specialist
Warmonger
Miser

Nice job to all participants, and I encourage more people to try for the next one.

Also, anyone feel free to post the next one.
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Re: Dungeon of the Day - 2

Postby gjaustin on Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:58 pm

Getting Unstoppable and Ding! MAX! would have made Sidestepper's run match Avatar's already. And he took Purist too...

You're making decisions based off of 5 runs, 2 of which are yours, which only consist of 4 classes. That's not anything remotely close to a decent sample size.

We should also do Vicious dungeons instead. Since right now we're only determining which combination of eight or nine badges is the easiest to get.

Also, you should probably hold your score a little longer before posting it. I didn't feel like spending a few hours this weekend just to, at best, tie you. It's discouraging :)
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Re: Dungeon of the Day - 2

Postby Dreamdancer on Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:07 pm

With Vicious dungeons i would be out. I'm happy that i defeated Demonic Library. Dragon Isle will be next, but probably i'll try first to get the Agnostic Collar and upgrade the Bank (hope there are at max lvl also preps).
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Re: Dungeon of the Day - 2

Postby Darvin on Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:08 pm

Here is my approach:

I will select one tier 1, one tier 2, and one special class (tinker, crusader, transmuter) at random. This means T3 classes will be out of the running. Seeing as Warlord and Assassin are bugged this version and Paladin was over-represented during round 2, I think giving the tier 3 classes a break is for the best.

I will then select one dungeon from the following list:

Hexx Ruins (1), Havensdale Bridge (2), Rock Garden (3), Creeplight Ruins (4)

That will ensure Lujo can participate.

We'll let the contest run until Thursday.

You're making decisions based off of 5 runs, 2 of which are yours, which only consist of 4 classes. That's not anything remotely close to a decent sample size.

Seven runs, two of which are mine. Classes used were Assassin, Berserker, Monk, Paladin, and Priest.

That's not anything remotely close to a decent sample size.

Agreed, but the numbers we selected at the beginning were arbitrary and subject to revision. Moreover, these four were subject to the most scrutiny regarding their pricing in the original debate. I'm fully aware we suffer from a small sample size, but what we do have merits trying slightly modified values because it does validate some opinions.
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Re: Dungeon of the Day - 2

Postby Lujo on Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:03 am

Darvin wrote:I'm fully aware we suffer from a small sample size, but what we do have merits trying slightly modified values because it does validate some opinions.


And because its fun?
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Re: Dungeon of the Day - 2

Postby Darvin on Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:05 am

Lujo wrote:And because its fun?

Well, that should go without saying :)
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