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<p>Arturo: </p> <hr /> <div>I've noticed something I think is different about the Assassin class from previous versions now, or this may just be a retooling of First Strike in general. When both I and a creature, as an Assassin using the ability, have first strike now, and I outlevel them, the game acts as if I'm the only one with first strike. This is an insane buff to the Assassin's Instant Death surround ability- this means that anything lower level you surround, perhaps via ENDISWALL, instantly becomes fodder for the level-up trick. I'm wary to say it's a retool of First Strike, because I noticed this in a game where I not only converted the First Strike Glyph, but I was worshiping Jehora. She never got mad at me for the one sided fights that resulted from the surround and outlevel combo- so this may just be that an Assassin's surround isn't so much First Strike as it is a &quot;guaranteed First Strike no matter what anyone, including a god, has to say about it&quot;.<br /> <br /> It's that, or an Assassin's instant death ability overrides First Strike on enemies completely. This seems like an easy, logical explanation.<br /> <br /> -----------------------<br /> <br /> Seems like something would be better than nothing on these pages. Post any tips/insight on each class you have? --[[User:Cls4lions|Cls4lions]] 12:30, 25 March 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I feel like the special races should be treated as classes rather than races, with their info on this page and a brief reference to it on the race page.</div>

Arturo http://www.qcfdesign.com/wiki/DesktopDungeons/index.php?title=Talk:Alpha:Classes&diff=1260 2010-08-26T12:42:09Z

<p>Arturo: </p> <hr /> <div>I've noticed something I think is different about the Assassin class from previous versions now, or this may just be a retooling of First Strike in general. When both I and a creature, as an Assassin using the ability, have first strike now, and I outlevel them, the game acts as if I'm the only one with first strike. This is an insane buff to the Assassin's Instant Death surround ability- this means that anything lower level you surround, perhaps via ENDISWALL, instantly becomes fodder for the level-up trick. I'm wary to say it's a retool of First Strike, because I noticed this in a game where I not only converted the First Strike Glyph, but I was worshiping Jehora. She never got mad at me for the one sided fights that resulted from the surround and outlevel combo- so this may just be that an Assassin's surround isn't so much First Strike as it is a &quot;guaranteed First Strike no matter what anyone, including a god, has to say about it&quot;.<br /> <br /> -----------------------<br /> <br /> Seems like something would be better than nothing on these pages. Post any tips/insight on each class you have? --[[User:Cls4lions|Cls4lions]] 12:30, 25 March 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I feel like the special races should be treated as classes rather than races, with their info on this page and a brief reference to it on the race page.</div>

Arturo http://www.qcfdesign.com/wiki/DesktopDungeons/index.php?title=Talk:Alpha:Classes&diff=1259 2010-08-26T12:41:38Z

<p>Arturo: </p> <hr /> <div>I've noticed something I think is different about the Assassin class from previous versions now, or this may just be a retooling of First Strike in general. When both I and a creature have first strike now, and I outlevel them, the game acts as if I'm the only one with first strike. This is an insane buff to the Assassin's Instant Death surround ability- this means that anything lower level you surround, perhaps via ENDISWALL, instantly becomes fodder for the level-up trick. I'm wary to say it's a retool of First Strike, because I noticed this in a game where I not only converted the First Strike Glyph, but I was worshiping Jehora. She never got mad at me for the one sided fights that resulted from the surround and outlevel combo- so this may just be that an Assassin's surround isn't so much First Strike as it is a &quot;guaranteed First Strike no matter what anyone, including a god, has to say about it&quot;.<br /> <br /> -----------------------<br /> <br /> Seems like something would be better than nothing on these pages. Post any tips/insight on each class you have? --[[User:Cls4lions|Cls4lions]] 12:30, 25 March 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I feel like the special races should be treated as classes rather than races, with their info on this page and a brief reference to it on the race page.</div>

Arturo http://www.qcfdesign.com/wiki/DesktopDungeons/index.php?title=Talk:Alpha:Classes&diff=1258 2010-08-26T12:39:24Z

<p>Arturo: </p> <hr /> <div>I've noticed something I think is different about the Assassin class from previous versions now, or this may just be a retooling of First Strike in general. When both I and a creature have first strike now, and I outlevel them, the game acts as if I'm the only one with first strike. This is an insane buff to the Assassin's Instant Death surround ability- this means that anything lower level you surround, perhaps via ENDISWALL, instantly becomes fodder for the level-up trick.<br /> <br /> -----------------------<br /> <br /> Seems like something would be better than nothing on these pages. Post any tips/insight on each class you have? --[[User:Cls4lions|Cls4lions]] 12:30, 25 March 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I feel like the special races should be treated as classes rather than races, with their info on this page and a brief reference to it on the race page.</div>

Arturo http://www.qcfdesign.com/wiki/DesktopDungeons/index.php?title=Talk:Gods&diff=1257 2010-08-26T12:27:26Z

<p>Arturo: </p> <hr /> <div>Point of interest, I played a random map as a Vampire, and I was able to worship the Glowing Guardian without him immediately killing me. Immediately after, something I killed angered the Glowing Guardian somehow- perhaps through use of Lifesteal?<br /> <br /> *I also noticed this. I received no piety upon worshipping the Glowing Guardian, but I did still receive full health. Killing the first creature after worshipping caused me to lose my lifesteal.<br /> <br /> -----------<br /> <br /> Not sure if this is where to post it, but activating and deactivating BLUDTUPOWA gives you piety for Mysteria Annur, giving a free source of infinite piety. Also, you can freeze the game by getting boons from Taurog when you have less than 2 max mana.<br /> <br /> *I just tested this as a Wizard in the Library. I picked up BLUDTUPOWA, started worshiping Mysteria, and I did not get piety for turning it on and off. I know for a fact however, that the harmful opposite is true: activating and deactivating this rune in the service of Binlor will anger him every single time. I suspect Taurog is angered similarly, and originally also had suspicions that it would please Mysteria, but this wasn't the case here.<br /> <br /> This was a bug removed in a recent patch.<br /> -----------<br /> <br /> I just made some major edits to the page, I added the Boons for Jehora and Mystera, what happens when you first worship them(and the Pactmaker and Tikki as well). Too much to count now though, I'm playing the game as I go so I'm pretty sure I got it down for those guys. I'm just finishing up on what I DO know for some other empty columns, so I don't have to retire and start over and over again for stuff that I DON'T know about. Also I figured out that you get more piety for Ironshield based not on how much current gold you have(I had 70 max and only got 5 piety), but how much you picked up during that level.[[User:tcarndt|tcarndt]] June 18 18:25. <br /> -----------<br /> Pretty sure I've gotten extra mana per level from the Pactmaker. Anyone else notice, or am I seeing things?<br /> <br /> Almost: Yeah, I think something like that happens. The pactmaker may also give bonuses to health and attack when you level up, but I haven't been paying enough attention to notice.<br /> <br /> Also, I think the magic only god does more than what is written, although I can't remember exactly off the top of my head.<br /> <br /> In case anyone was curious, if you worship the Pactmaker at &lt;= 5hp, you die.<br /> <br /> -----------<br /> <br /> Guys, I'm beginning to work on filling out the new piety section. Any help would be greatly appreciated -Lightstriker<br /> Please note for EVERYONE that it will be inaccurate/ incomplete for quite a bit.<br /> <br /> -----------<br /> <br /> If you have explored 100% of the map when you worship the pactmaker, you start with 40 favor. I'm guessing that it scales, since when I had around 50% I got around 20 favor. Other gods seem to use other systems for granting initial favor. JJ seems to use a random number 1-20 maybe? (it makes a reference to the die being set in motion) Mystera is based off MP spent? Or possibly straight spells cast? spent 70 on 10 casts of endiswal and got 16, spent 70 on 70 casts of bysseps got 16, spent 0 on no casts and got 0.<br /> <br /> Ironshield seems to give piety based on gold. Don't call me out on that, but worth checking.<br /> <br /> *Glowing Guardian seems to give piety based on damage received. Dracul looks to be based on damage given? Trog I think is based on kills. (or those two might be reversed). I suspect Tikki Tooki is based either on how many items you've picked up or how many items you've purchased. [[User:Neongrey|Neongrey]] 08:20, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> **I received 32 starting piety from Glowing Guardian without having done a single fight in that iteration. It's possible that it might include damage from previous lives (not sure if that's intended or not). [[User:Cait|Cait]] 22:05, 23 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> I was just playing a game as a Bloodmage worshipping the Earthmother and I seemed to lose piety for eating a corpse (per the bloodmage ability).<br /> <br /> <br /> *Tiki Tooki: 50% of money spent, rounded down<br /> **Not 50%, I just bought a Magician's Moonstrike for 120 (and nothing else) and he gave me 21 piety<br /> *Pactmaker: 10% of cells explored, rounded down<br /> *Binlor: 4% of cash on hand (could be off on that, since I'm still at 75 max cash)<br /> <br /> Anyone know the scaling formula for MA's starting piety? It's probably similar to the scaling of TT etc, but it's the easiest to test (since you can carefully control MP spent.<br /> <br /> {| border=&quot;1&quot; cellspacing=&quot;0&quot; cellpadding=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;border-collapse: collapse;&quot;<br /> |- style=&quot;background-color: #EEEEEE&quot;<br /> !mp spent<br /> !piety granted<br /> |-<br /> |1||2<br /> |-<br /> |2||2<br /> |-<br /> |80||16<br /> |-<br /> |99||18<br /> |}<br /> ------<br /> This 10 minute crawler is relatively sure that Binlor gives starting piety based on the amount of gold you've picked up over the course of the current map, and has also figured out that this is not post-active. Binlor, although he gives piety based on collected gold when you begin worshiping him, does not give piety for gold picked up thereafter. He's a lot like the Pactmaker who gives starting piety based on cells explored, in that you're better off exploring 3/4 of the map and planning the entire adventure out beforehand.<br /> <br /> Addendum: Converting a rune to gold with the Goblin's racial trait does not seem to please Binlor in this way. Damn.<br /> <br /> I've also noticed that penalties don't seem to be retroactive in this way. Converting a Glyph under Mysteria will get you in trouble, however converting all but say the Fireball rune on the map and THEN going into her service does not provide you with negative starting piety and is thus actually recommended for an &quot;Elf Wizard&quot; or similar combination.<br /> * Similarly, Trog rewards piety only for glyphs you destroy in his service and none before. So better for him to save them and convert them once you commit. [[User:Neongrey|Neongrey]] 16:32, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> -----------<br /> <br /> I noticed the initial piety boost for pactmaker was edited into the table-- since all gods give piety based on some condition or other, should that all be listed under that column? or should we make a separate column for it? [[User:Neongrey|Neongrey]] 17:41, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I'd love a new column, but the thing's already pretty wide. Are people going to have problems with the width of the thing with all those columns?<br /> <br /> -----------<br /> (10 minute crawler again) You could change the Column title from &quot;Worship&quot; to &quot;On Worship&quot;, and then in that allotted cell could describe not just effects that happen on the moment of worship such as loss of HP or Gold, but also the &quot;starting piety&quot; effect conditions and you would not only not need another column, you'd also help fill in the table and compensate for the giant entries in the &quot;Options&quot; column.<br /> Also:<br /> <br /> Glowing guardian:<br /> # Kill an undead enemy: +1 Piety <br /> # Kill a snake: +1 Piety<br /> # Kill an imp: +1 Piety<br /> # Kill a warlock: +1 Piety <br /> <br /> Just say<br /> # Kill a snake, imp, undead enemy, or warlock: +1 Piety<br /> <br /> <br /> -------<br /> <br /> Nix this aside, I just had Jehora transform a boss into Firecracker (the second campaign boss.)<br /> <br /> ---------------------<br /> <br /> Jehora: Important!<br /> I began a map within arm's reach of a Jehora altar during the first of the elven campaign and, wanting the eventual polymorph, worshiped her. She gave me 25 starting piety, so her piety isn't random 1-20. The only thing I did in the map was pick up some gold out of curiosity, but only 3 pieces and we already know Binlor is the patron saint of loose change. ( http://yfrog.com/j125pp )<br /> <br /> Also, Tikki gives +1 piety when you teleport an enemy via the Pisorf rune. (&quot;Such a delightful display of disorientation! +1 piety)<br /> <br /> Taurog: Also important!<br /> Your wording for one of his boons is wrong. You do not GAIN 25% magic resistance, you are SET to 25% magic resistance. This means that if you choose the Berserker class or are forced into such as the third map of the elven campaign, you must NEVER purchase this upgrade. A Barbarian begins the game with 50% magic resistance, but this will be overridden by Taurog's &quot;buff&quot; and you will end up with less Magic Resistance than before- and during the course of a challenge map such as the Campaign, this is a very fatal error. Taurog does not GIVE resistance, he SETS resistance. This is even the wording in-game.<br /> <br /> ----------------------<br /> <br /> I'm going to assume Jehora penalizes you for using CYDSTEPP or GETINDARE...<br /> <br /> ----------------------<br /> Tried to cleanup the layout.<br /> --[[User:XuaXua|XuaXua]] 16:13, 25 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I'm pretty sure Tikki Tooki only removes your dodge bonuses the first time you get hit, if you have them.<br /> *No. No. Tiiki only removes your dodge and gives everything first strike if you fall to 0 piety with him. What you probably did was buy the dodge bonus at 15 piety, leaving you at 0, and then went and got hit which would have instantly triggered his anger effect. If you take the simple precaution of giving yourself a little piety buffer, the anger effect becomes completely irrelevant.<br /> <br /> -----------------------<br /> Added the last four conversion costs by mucking as a Human Wizard. The last one, Mystera Annur to Pactmaster was a real bear to find. [[User:DalaranJ|DalaranJ]]<br /> <br /> -----------------------<br /> &quot;Edit&quot; block kinda sucks, but now we can give crossrefs to needed god. Missed this one.<br /> <br /> -----------------------<br /> <br /> Don't be so hasty with that entry for Tikki. He still gets mad if you get hit enough- I don't know the exact conditions, but I have solid proof right here. It's no longer on every single hit, but if you take enough... http://yfrog.com/mv43887190p<br /> <br /> -----------------------<br /> Jehora:<br /> &quot;# Effect: Either death or restore full health or mana or death. &quot;<br /> Hm. We either die, get full health and mana, or die. We have a chance of dying twice! &gt;.&gt; Sounds about right though given my success with it...</div>

Arturo http://www.qcfdesign.com/wiki/DesktopDungeons/index.php?title=Talk:Gods&diff=1256 2010-08-26T02:41:50Z

<p>Arturo: </p> <hr /> <div>Point of interest, I played a random map as a Vampire, and I was able to worship the Glowing Guardian without him immediately killing me. Immediately after, something I killed angered the Glowing Guardian somehow- perhaps through use of Lifesteal?<br /> <br /> *I also noticed this. I received no piety upon worshipping the Glowing Guardian, but I did still receive full health. Killing the first creature after worshipping caused me to lose my lifesteal.<br /> <br /> -----------<br /> <br /> Not sure if this is where to post it, but activating and deactivating BLUDTUPOWA gives you piety for Mysteria Annur, giving a free source of infinite piety. Also, you can freeze the game by getting boons from Taurog when you have less than 2 max mana.<br /> <br /> *I just tested this as a Wizard in the Library. I picked up BLUDTUPOWA, started worshiping Mysteria, and I did not get piety for turning it on and off. I know for a fact however, that the harmful opposite is true: activating and deactivating this rune in the service of Binlor will anger him every single time. I suspect Taurog is angered similarly, and originally also had suspicions that it would please Mysteria, but this wasn't the case here.<br /> <br /> This was a bug removed in a recent patch.<br /> -----------<br /> <br /> I just made some major edits to the page, I added the Boons for Jehora and Mystera, what happens when you first worship them(and the Pactmaker and Tikki as well). Too much to count now though, I'm playing the game as I go so I'm pretty sure I got it down for those guys. I'm just finishing up on what I DO know for some other empty columns, so I don't have to retire and start over and over again for stuff that I DON'T know about. Also I figured out that you get more piety for Ironshield based not on how much current gold you have(I had 70 max and only got 5 piety), but how much you picked up during that level.[[User:tcarndt|tcarndt]] June 18 18:25. <br /> -----------<br /> Pretty sure I've gotten extra mana per level from the Pactmaker. Anyone else notice, or am I seeing things?<br /> <br /> Almost: Yeah, I think something like that happens. The pactmaker may also give bonuses to health and attack when you level up, but I haven't been paying enough attention to notice.<br /> <br /> Also, I think the magic only god does more than what is written, although I can't remember exactly off the top of my head.<br /> <br /> In case anyone was curious, if you worship the Pactmaker at &lt;= 5hp, you die.<br /> <br /> -----------<br /> <br /> Guys, I'm beginning to work on filling out the new piety section. Any help would be greatly appreciated -Lightstriker<br /> Please note for EVERYONE that it will be inaccurate/ incomplete for quite a bit.<br /> <br /> -----------<br /> <br /> If you have explored 100% of the map when you worship the pactmaker, you start with 40 favor. I'm guessing that it scales, since when I had around 50% I got around 20 favor. Other gods seem to use other systems for granting initial favor. JJ seems to use a random number 1-20 maybe? (it makes a reference to the die being set in motion) Mystera is based off MP spent? Or possibly straight spells cast? spent 70 on 10 casts of endiswal and got 16, spent 70 on 70 casts of bysseps got 16, spent 0 on no casts and got 0.<br /> <br /> Ironshield seems to give piety based on gold. Don't call me out on that, but worth checking.<br /> <br /> *Glowing Guardian seems to give piety based on damage received. Dracul looks to be based on damage given? Trog I think is based on kills. (or those two might be reversed). I suspect Tikki Tooki is based either on how many items you've picked up or how many items you've purchased. [[User:Neongrey|Neongrey]] 08:20, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> **I received 32 starting piety from Glowing Guardian without having done a single fight in that iteration. It's possible that it might include damage from previous lives (not sure if that's intended or not). [[User:Cait|Cait]] 22:05, 23 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> I was just playing a game as a Bloodmage worshipping the Earthmother and I seemed to lose piety for eating a corpse (per the bloodmage ability).<br /> <br /> <br /> *Tiki Tooki: 50% of money spent, rounded down<br /> **Not 50%, I just bought a Magician's Moonstrike for 120 (and nothing else) and he gave me 21 piety<br /> *Pactmaker: 10% of cells explored, rounded down<br /> *Binlor: 4% of cash on hand (could be off on that, since I'm still at 75 max cash)<br /> <br /> Anyone know the scaling formula for MA's starting piety? It's probably similar to the scaling of TT etc, but it's the easiest to test (since you can carefully control MP spent.<br /> <br /> {| border=&quot;1&quot; cellspacing=&quot;0&quot; cellpadding=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;border-collapse: collapse;&quot;<br /> |- style=&quot;background-color: #EEEEEE&quot;<br /> !mp spent<br /> !piety granted<br /> |-<br /> |1||2<br /> |-<br /> |2||2<br /> |-<br /> |80||16<br /> |-<br /> |99||18<br /> |}<br /> ------<br /> This 10 minute crawler is relatively sure that Binlor gives starting piety based on the amount of gold you've picked up over the course of the current map, and has also figured out that this is not post-active. Binlor, although he gives piety based on collected gold when you begin worshiping him, does not give piety for gold picked up thereafter. He's a lot like the Pactmaker who gives starting piety based on cells explored, in that you're better off exploring 3/4 of the map and planning the entire adventure out beforehand.<br /> <br /> Addendum: Converting a rune to gold with the Goblin's racial trait does not seem to please Binlor in this way. Damn.<br /> <br /> I've also noticed that penalties don't seem to be retroactive in this way. Converting a Glyph under Mysteria will get you in trouble, however converting all but say the Fireball rune on the map and THEN going into her service does not provide you with negative starting piety and is thus actually recommended for an &quot;Elf Wizard&quot; or similar combination.<br /> * Similarly, Trog rewards piety only for glyphs you destroy in his service and none before. So better for him to save them and convert them once you commit. [[User:Neongrey|Neongrey]] 16:32, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> -----------<br /> <br /> I noticed the initial piety boost for pactmaker was edited into the table-- since all gods give piety based on some condition or other, should that all be listed under that column? or should we make a separate column for it? [[User:Neongrey|Neongrey]] 17:41, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I'd love a new column, but the thing's already pretty wide. Are people going to have problems with the width of the thing with all those columns?<br /> <br /> -----------<br /> (10 minute crawler again) You could change the Column title from &quot;Worship&quot; to &quot;On Worship&quot;, and then in that allotted cell could describe not just effects that happen on the moment of worship such as loss of HP or Gold, but also the &quot;starting piety&quot; effect conditions and you would not only not need another column, you'd also help fill in the table and compensate for the giant entries in the &quot;Options&quot; column.<br /> Also:<br /> <br /> Glowing guardian:<br /> # Kill an undead enemy: +1 Piety <br /> # Kill a snake: +1 Piety<br /> # Kill an imp: +1 Piety<br /> # Kill a warlock: +1 Piety <br /> <br /> Just say<br /> # Kill a snake, imp, undead enemy, or warlock: +1 Piety<br /> <br /> <br /> -------<br /> <br /> Nix this aside, I just had Jehora transform a boss into Firecracker (the second campaign boss.)<br /> <br /> ---------------------<br /> <br /> Jehora: Important!<br /> I began a map within arm's reach of a Jehora altar during the first of the elven campaign and, wanting the eventual polymorph, worshiped her. She gave me 25 starting piety, so her piety isn't random 1-20. The only thing I did in the map was pick up some gold out of curiosity, but only 3 pieces and we already know Binlor is the patron saint of loose change. ( http://yfrog.com/j125pp )<br /> <br /> Also, Tikki gives +1 piety when you teleport an enemy via the Pisorf rune. (&quot;Such a delightful display of disorientation! +1 piety)<br /> <br /> Taurog: Also important!<br /> Your wording for one of his boons is wrong. You do not GAIN 25% magic resistance, you are SET to 25% magic resistance. This means that if you choose the Berserker class or are forced into such as the third map of the elven campaign, you must NEVER purchase this upgrade. A Barbarian begins the game with 50% magic resistance, but this will be overridden by Taurog's &quot;buff&quot; and you will end up with less Magic Resistance than before- and during the course of a challenge map such as the Campaign, this is a very fatal error. Taurog does not GIVE resistance, he SETS resistance. This is even the wording in-game.<br /> <br /> ----------------------<br /> <br /> I'm going to assume Jehora penalizes you for using CYDSTEPP or GETINDARE...<br /> <br /> ----------------------<br /> Tried to cleanup the layout.<br /> --[[User:XuaXua|XuaXua]] 16:13, 25 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I'm pretty sure Tikki Tooki only removes your dodge bonuses the first time you get hit, if you have them.<br /> *No. No. Tiiki only removes your dodge and gives everything first strike if you fall to 0 piety with him. What you probably did was buy the dodge bonus at 15 piety, leaving you at 0, and then went and got hit which would have instantly triggered his anger effect. If you take the simple precaution of giving yourself a little piety buffer, the anger effect becomes completely irrelevant.<br /> <br /> -----------------------<br /> Added the last four conversion costs by mucking as a Human Wizard. The last one, Mystera Annur to Pactmaster was a real bear to find. [[User:DalaranJ|DalaranJ]]<br /> <br /> -----------------------<br /> &quot;Edit&quot; block kinda sucks, but now we can give crossrefs to needed god. Missed this one.<br /> <br /> -----------------------<br /> <br /> Don't be so hasty with that entry for Tikki. He still gets mad if you get hit enough- I don't know the exact conditions, but I have solid proof right here. It's no longer on every single hit, but if you take enough... http://yfrog.com/mv43887190p</div>

Arturo http://www.qcfdesign.com/wiki/DesktopDungeons/index.php?title=Alpha:Lothlorien&diff=1255 2010-08-26T02:27:00Z

<p>Arturo: /* Trivia */</p> <hr /> <div>Lothlorien is a special 3-stage challenge dungeon. The three stages run consecutively with no break in between, meaning your gold stocks have to last across all three levels.<br /> <br /> <br /> == Level 1 - Scouting ==<br /> You play an elven rogue - 20% dodge, +50% damage, first strike, glyphs convert to +2 mana. The enemies are [[Goblin|Goblins]], [[Gorgon|Gorgons]], [[Imp|Imps]] and [[Goat|Goats]]. Imps and especially goats are the easy meat here, with one-hit kills aplenty. Cydstepp, Burndayraz and Afeelsik are glyphs worth hoping for, and deities with +% damage are a help. The boss is a goblin with 20% resistances, 90 damage and 397 hits. Plan on finding a way to plink him down while healing in between blows. This boss, like the next one, is pretty much tooled in a way that makes him impossible to defeat using any single strategy. Fireball chains with Mystera, full damage dealing with Trogdor, things of that nature alone won't be enough. You'll need to use level-ups as free heals for both health and mana to chip away at him as you progress- just be careful that the only creatures left to level up on aren't Goblins, because having first strike on them means you'll trade instead and if you're low already from attacking the boss this could result in an accidental potion use.<br /> <br /> == Level 2 - Defending the walls ==<br /> This time you're an Elf Wizard. Enemies are Naga, Dragonspawn, Serpents, Goats. Boss is a Dragonspawn with 75 damage, 954 hits and 25% magic resistance. Even worshipping Mystera Annur, I wouldn't bet on fireballing him to death. Again, you'll need to become a sort of melee wizard to deal with the dragon straight-up. This doesn't mean go Binlor or Trogdor- though if you think you can swing the Avatar ability as a &quot;last level up for a heal&quot; tactic than go for it. Because you'll need physical attacks as well as magical, be wary when fighting the Naga. They're there for a reason- even taking a single Weakening blow from them could spell doom for the campaign as the missing damage adds up and costs you in the final battle. Conversely, the goats are there as excellent leveling tools for your mage. Having lower hit points but higher attack means they're prone to the First Strike via Higher Level effect- and because your attack is weakened as a mage, this works out about even. Alternatively, as with all these campaign scenarios, you could also simply worship Jehora, hit the Polymorph button, and pray you get a tier 1 boss that's much easier to for a mage to handle- like the ghost.<br /> <br /> == Level 3 - Kill the Leader ==<br /> Ever wanted to be an Elf Berzerker? Here your wishes are fulfilled, and you're likely to be low on cash by this point as well. You'll be fighting a remix of enemies from the previous levels, and the boss is a Goat with 300-odd hits, dealing 270 damage per hit (so plan on being incredibly tough or casting Cydstepp a ''lot''). Oh, and he blinks, so if you were thinking of hitting him, poisoning him and then exploring to regain hits/mana... sorry.<br /> <br /> === Level 3 Tips ===<br /> * Deities are key here, getting Jehora Jeheyu and subsequently using polymorph makes this a winnable battle.<br /> * Health potions are also worthless in the boss fight, use them only to level up!<br /> * CYDSTEPP and getting the Poison Blade from a shop is a lucky break. <br /> * Make sure you unlock as much as you can before undertaking this quest as it makes it much, much easier.<br /> * It's best to begin the map with the final battle in mind. Every decision you make should revolve around the laser focus of how you're going to deal with an enemy that 90% of the time will kill you instantly with every attack. Dodge Boots and CYDSTEPP form a nice combo when they work- you dodge once or twice, and this saves repeat casts of CYDSTEPP which as a Berserker are very expensive. And remember- in the end, you're fighting a Goat. Goats are supposed to have two things- high attack, and low HP. Beating him at his own game via Death Protection and every attack buff on the map is the way to go. That, or lucking out with Jehora.<br /> <br /> == Trivia ==<br /> * Level 1's Elven Rogue, Snafu Glitterfinger, is a god that was scrapped in the June 10, 2010 release of Desktop Dungeons. The Snafu most likely represents it's five-letter expression as the god's name was simply Glitterfinger. Glitterfinger granted extra gold to the player upon a successful kill and there was no way to anger him. However, because granting a measly 1 gold for every kill was useful only for beginning players, Glitterfinger quickly became very useless for mid-end game Crawlers and was seen by most as a &quot;waste of a shrine&quot; by that point. His ability was retooled and merged with Binlor, who now grants starting piety based on the amount of gold collected over the course of the current map.<br /> <br /> * It's entirely possible, through the use of Polymorph, to turn a boss from one section of the campaign into another. I found this out the hard way when after Polymorphing the Goblin boss from part 1 I found myself facing the Dragon boss from part 2 instead.</div>

Arturo http://www.qcfdesign.com/wiki/DesktopDungeons/index.php?title=Alpha:Lothlorien&diff=1254 2010-08-26T02:25:18Z

<p>Arturo: /* Level 3 Tips */</p> <hr /> <div>Lothlorien is a special 3-stage challenge dungeon. The three stages run consecutively with no break in between, meaning your gold stocks have to last across all three levels.<br /> <br /> <br /> == Level 1 - Scouting ==<br /> You play an elven rogue - 20% dodge, +50% damage, first strike, glyphs convert to +2 mana. The enemies are [[Goblin|Goblins]], [[Gorgon|Gorgons]], [[Imp|Imps]] and [[Goat|Goats]]. Imps and especially goats are the easy meat here, with one-hit kills aplenty. Cydstepp, Burndayraz and Afeelsik are glyphs worth hoping for, and deities with +% damage are a help. The boss is a goblin with 20% resistances, 90 damage and 397 hits. Plan on finding a way to plink him down while healing in between blows. This boss, like the next one, is pretty much tooled in a way that makes him impossible to defeat using any single strategy. Fireball chains with Mystera, full damage dealing with Trogdor, things of that nature alone won't be enough. You'll need to use level-ups as free heals for both health and mana to chip away at him as you progress- just be careful that the only creatures left to level up on aren't Goblins, because having first strike on them means you'll trade instead and if you're low already from attacking the boss this could result in an accidental potion use.<br /> <br /> == Level 2 - Defending the walls ==<br /> This time you're an Elf Wizard. Enemies are Naga, Dragonspawn, Serpents, Goats. Boss is a Dragonspawn with 75 damage, 954 hits and 25% magic resistance. Even worshipping Mystera Annur, I wouldn't bet on fireballing him to death. Again, you'll need to become a sort of melee wizard to deal with the dragon straight-up. This doesn't mean go Binlor or Trogdor- though if you think you can swing the Avatar ability as a &quot;last level up for a heal&quot; tactic than go for it. Because you'll need physical attacks as well as magical, be wary when fighting the Naga. They're there for a reason- even taking a single Weakening blow from them could spell doom for the campaign as the missing damage adds up and costs you in the final battle. Conversely, the goats are there as excellent leveling tools for your mage. Having lower hit points but higher attack means they're prone to the First Strike via Higher Level effect- and because your attack is weakened as a mage, this works out about even. Alternatively, as with all these campaign scenarios, you could also simply worship Jehora, hit the Polymorph button, and pray you get a tier 1 boss that's much easier to for a mage to handle- like the ghost.<br /> <br /> == Level 3 - Kill the Leader ==<br /> Ever wanted to be an Elf Berzerker? Here your wishes are fulfilled, and you're likely to be low on cash by this point as well. You'll be fighting a remix of enemies from the previous levels, and the boss is a Goat with 300-odd hits, dealing 270 damage per hit (so plan on being incredibly tough or casting Cydstepp a ''lot''). Oh, and he blinks, so if you were thinking of hitting him, poisoning him and then exploring to regain hits/mana... sorry.<br /> <br /> === Level 3 Tips ===<br /> * Deities are key here, getting Jehora Jeheyu and subsequently using polymorph makes this a winnable battle.<br /> * Health potions are also worthless in the boss fight, use them only to level up!<br /> * CYDSTEPP and getting the Poison Blade from a shop is a lucky break. <br /> * Make sure you unlock as much as you can before undertaking this quest as it makes it much, much easier.<br /> * It's best to begin the map with the final battle in mind. Every decision you make should revolve around the laser focus of how you're going to deal with an enemy that 90% of the time will kill you instantly with every attack. Dodge Boots and CYDSTEPP form a nice combo when they work- you dodge once or twice, and this saves repeat casts of CYDSTEPP which as a Berserker are very expensive. And remember- in the end, you're fighting a Goat. Goats are supposed to have two things- high attack, and low HP. Beating him at his own game via Death Protection and every attack buff on the map is the way to go. That, or lucking out with Jehora.<br /> <br /> == Trivia ==<br /> * Level 1's Elven Rogue, Snafu Glitterfinger, is a god that was scrapped in the June 10, 2010 release of Desktop Dungeons. The Snafu most likely represents it's five-letter expression as the god's name was simply Glitterfinger. Glitterfinger granted extra gold to the player upon a successful kill and there was no way to anger him. However, because granting a measly 1 gold for every kill was useful only for beginning players, Glitterfinger quickly became very useless for mid-end game Crawlers and was seen by most as a &quot;waste of a shrine&quot; by that point. His ability was retooled and merged with Binlor, who now grants starting piety based on the amount of gold collected over the course of the current map.</div>

Arturo http://www.qcfdesign.com/wiki/DesktopDungeons/index.php?title=Alpha:Lothlorien&diff=1253 2010-08-26T02:20:08Z

<p>Arturo: /* Level 2 - Defending the walls */</p> <hr /> <div>Lothlorien is a special 3-stage challenge dungeon. The three stages run consecutively with no break in between, meaning your gold stocks have to last across all three levels.<br /> <br /> <br /> == Level 1 - Scouting ==<br /> You play an elven rogue - 20% dodge, +50% damage, first strike, glyphs convert to +2 mana. The enemies are [[Goblin|Goblins]], [[Gorgon|Gorgons]], [[Imp|Imps]] and [[Goat|Goats]]. Imps and especially goats are the easy meat here, with one-hit kills aplenty. Cydstepp, Burndayraz and Afeelsik are glyphs worth hoping for, and deities with +% damage are a help. The boss is a goblin with 20% resistances, 90 damage and 397 hits. Plan on finding a way to plink him down while healing in between blows. This boss, like the next one, is pretty much tooled in a way that makes him impossible to defeat using any single strategy. Fireball chains with Mystera, full damage dealing with Trogdor, things of that nature alone won't be enough. You'll need to use level-ups as free heals for both health and mana to chip away at him as you progress- just be careful that the only creatures left to level up on aren't Goblins, because having first strike on them means you'll trade instead and if you're low already from attacking the boss this could result in an accidental potion use.<br /> <br /> == Level 2 - Defending the walls ==<br /> This time you're an Elf Wizard. Enemies are Naga, Dragonspawn, Serpents, Goats. Boss is a Dragonspawn with 75 damage, 954 hits and 25% magic resistance. Even worshipping Mystera Annur, I wouldn't bet on fireballing him to death. Again, you'll need to become a sort of melee wizard to deal with the dragon straight-up. This doesn't mean go Binlor or Trogdor- though if you think you can swing the Avatar ability as a &quot;last level up for a heal&quot; tactic than go for it. Because you'll need physical attacks as well as magical, be wary when fighting the Naga. They're there for a reason- even taking a single Weakening blow from them could spell doom for the campaign as the missing damage adds up and costs you in the final battle. Conversely, the goats are there as excellent leveling tools for your mage. Having lower hit points but higher attack means they're prone to the First Strike via Higher Level effect- and because your attack is weakened as a mage, this works out about even. Alternatively, as with all these campaign scenarios, you could also simply worship Jehora, hit the Polymorph button, and pray you get a tier 1 boss that's much easier to for a mage to handle- like the ghost.<br /> <br /> == Level 3 - Kill the Leader ==<br /> Ever wanted to be an Elf Berzerker? Here your wishes are fulfilled, and you're likely to be low on cash by this point as well. You'll be fighting a remix of enemies from the previous levels, and the boss is a Goat with 300-odd hits, dealing 270 damage per hit (so plan on being incredibly tough or casting Cydstepp a ''lot''). Oh, and he blinks, so if you were thinking of hitting him, poisoning him and then exploring to regain hits/mana... sorry.<br /> <br /> === Level 3 Tips ===<br /> * Deities are key here, getting Jehora Jeheyu and subsequently using polymorph makes this a winnable battle.<br /> * Health potions are also worthless in the boss fight, use them only to level up!<br /> * CYDSTEPP and getting the Poison Blade from a shop is a lucky break. <br /> * Make sure you unlock as much as you can before undertaking this quest as it makes it much, much easier.<br /> <br /> == Trivia ==<br /> * Level 1's Elven Rogue, Snafu Glitterfinger, is a god that was scrapped in the June 10, 2010 release of Desktop Dungeons. The Snafu most likely represents it's five-letter expression as the god's name was simply Glitterfinger. Glitterfinger granted extra gold to the player upon a successful kill and there was no way to anger him. However, because granting a measly 1 gold for every kill was useful only for beginning players, Glitterfinger quickly became very useless for mid-end game Crawlers and was seen by most as a &quot;waste of a shrine&quot; by that point. His ability was retooled and merged with Binlor, who now grants starting piety based on the amount of gold collected over the course of the current map.</div>

Arturo http://www.qcfdesign.com/wiki/DesktopDungeons/index.php?title=Alpha:Lothlorien&diff=1252 2010-08-26T02:15:12Z

<p>Arturo: /* Level 1 - Scouting */</p> <hr /> <div>Lothlorien is a special 3-stage challenge dungeon. The three stages run consecutively with no break in between, meaning your gold stocks have to last across all three levels.<br /> <br /> <br /> == Level 1 - Scouting ==<br /> You play an elven rogue - 20% dodge, +50% damage, first strike, glyphs convert to +2 mana. The enemies are [[Goblin|Goblins]], [[Gorgon|Gorgons]], [[Imp|Imps]] and [[Goat|Goats]]. Imps and especially goats are the easy meat here, with one-hit kills aplenty. Cydstepp, Burndayraz and Afeelsik are glyphs worth hoping for, and deities with +% damage are a help. The boss is a goblin with 20% resistances, 90 damage and 397 hits. Plan on finding a way to plink him down while healing in between blows. This boss, like the next one, is pretty much tooled in a way that makes him impossible to defeat using any single strategy. Fireball chains with Mystera, full damage dealing with Trogdor, things of that nature alone won't be enough. You'll need to use level-ups as free heals for both health and mana to chip away at him as you progress- just be careful that the only creatures left to level up on aren't Goblins, because having first strike on them means you'll trade instead and if you're low already from attacking the boss this could result in an accidental potion use.<br /> <br /> == Level 2 - Defending the walls ==<br /> This time you're an Elf Wizard. Enemies are Naga, Dragonspawn, Serpents, Goats. Boss is a Dragonspawn with 75 damage, 954 hits and 25% magic resistance. Even worshipping Mystera Annur, I wouldn't bet on fireballing him to death.<br /> <br /> <br /> == Level 3 - Kill the Leader ==<br /> Ever wanted to be an Elf Berzerker? Here your wishes are fulfilled, and you're likely to be low on cash by this point as well. You'll be fighting a remix of enemies from the previous levels, and the boss is a Goat with 300-odd hits, dealing 270 damage per hit (so plan on being incredibly tough or casting Cydstepp a ''lot''). Oh, and he blinks, so if you were thinking of hitting him, poisoning him and then exploring to regain hits/mana... sorry.<br /> <br /> === Level 3 Tips ===<br /> * Deities are key here, getting Jehora Jeheyu and subsequently using polymorph makes this a winnable battle.<br /> * Health potions are also worthless in the boss fight, use them only to level up!<br /> * CYDSTEPP and getting the Poison Blade from a shop is a lucky break. <br /> * Make sure you unlock as much as you can before undertaking this quest as it makes it much, much easier.<br /> <br /> == Trivia ==<br /> * Level 1's Elven Rogue, Snafu Glitterfinger, is a god that was scrapped in the June 10, 2010 release of Desktop Dungeons. The Snafu most likely represents it's five-letter expression as the god's name was simply Glitterfinger. Glitterfinger granted extra gold to the player upon a successful kill and there was no way to anger him. However, because granting a measly 1 gold for every kill was useful only for beginning players, Glitterfinger quickly became very useless for mid-end game Crawlers and was seen by most as a &quot;waste of a shrine&quot; by that point. His ability was retooled and merged with Binlor, who now grants starting piety based on the amount of gold collected over the course of the current map.</div>

Arturo http://www.qcfdesign.com/wiki/DesktopDungeons/index.php?title=Alpha:Lothlorien&diff=1251 2010-08-26T02:11:07Z

<p>Arturo: </p> <hr /> <div>Lothlorien is a special 3-stage challenge dungeon. The three stages run consecutively with no break in between, meaning your gold stocks have to last across all three levels.<br /> <br /> <br /> == Level 1 - Scouting ==<br /> You play an elven rogue - 20% dodge, +50% damage, first strike, glyphs convert to +2 mana. The enemies are [[Goblin|Goblins]], [[Gorgon|Gorgons]], [[Imp|Imps]] and [[Goat|Goats]]. Imps and especially goats are the easy meat here, with one-hit kills aplenty. Cydstepp, Burndayraz and Afeelsik are glyphs worth hoping for, and deities with +% damage are a help. The boss is a goblin with 20% resistances, 90 damage and 397 hits. Plan on finding a way to plink him down while healing in between blows.<br /> <br /> <br /> == Level 2 - Defending the walls ==<br /> This time you're an Elf Wizard. Enemies are Naga, Dragonspawn, Serpents, Goats. Boss is a Dragonspawn with 75 damage, 954 hits and 25% magic resistance. Even worshipping Mystera Annur, I wouldn't bet on fireballing him to death.<br /> <br /> <br /> == Level 3 - Kill the Leader ==<br /> Ever wanted to be an Elf Berzerker? Here your wishes are fulfilled, and you're likely to be low on cash by this point as well. You'll be fighting a remix of enemies from the previous levels, and the boss is a Goat with 300-odd hits, dealing 270 damage per hit (so plan on being incredibly tough or casting Cydstepp a ''lot''). Oh, and he blinks, so if you were thinking of hitting him, poisoning him and then exploring to regain hits/mana... sorry.<br /> <br /> === Level 3 Tips ===<br /> * Deities are key here, getting Jehora Jeheyu and subsequently using polymorph makes this a winnable battle.<br /> * Health potions are also worthless in the boss fight, use them only to level up!<br /> * CYDSTEPP and getting the Poison Blade from a shop is a lucky break. <br /> * Make sure you unlock as much as you can before undertaking this quest as it makes it much, much easier.<br /> <br /> == Trivia ==<br /> * Level 1's Elven Rogue, Snafu Glitterfinger, is a god that was scrapped in the June 10, 2010 release of Desktop Dungeons. The Snafu most likely represents it's five-letter expression as the god's name was simply Glitterfinger. Glitterfinger granted extra gold to the player upon a successful kill and there was no way to anger him. However, because granting a measly 1 gold for every kill was useful only for beginning players, Glitterfinger quickly became very useless for mid-end game Crawlers and was seen by most as a &quot;waste of a shrine&quot; by that point. His ability was retooled and merged with Binlor, who now grants starting piety based on the amount of gold collected over the course of the current map.</div>

Arturo http://www.qcfdesign.com/wiki/DesktopDungeons/index.php?title=Talk:Gods&diff=1113 2010-06-29T06:48:24Z

<p>Arturo: </p> <hr /> <div>Point of interest, I played a random map as a Vampire, and I was able to worship the Glowing Guardian without him immediately killing me. Immediately after, something I killed angered the Glowing Guardian somehow- perhaps through use of Lifesteal?<br /> <br /> -----------<br /> <br /> Not sure if this is where to post it, but activating and deactivating BLUDTUPOWA gives you piety for Mysteria Annur, giving a free source of infinite piety. Also, you can freeze the game by getting boons from Taurog when you have less than 2 max mana.<br /> <br /> *I just tested this as a Wizard in the Library. I picked up BLUDTUPOWA, started worshiping Mysteria, and I did not get piety for turning it on and off. I know for a fact however, that the harmful opposite is true: activating and deactivating this rune in the service of Binlor will anger him every single time. I suspect Taurog is angered similarly, and originally also had suspicions that it would please Mysteria, but this wasn't the case here.<br /> <br /> This was a bug removed in a recent patch.<br /> -----------<br /> <br /> I just made some major edits to the page, I added the Boons for Jehora and Mystera, what happens when you first worship them(and the Pactmaker and Tikki as well). Too much to count now though, I'm playing the game as I go so I'm pretty sure I got it down for those guys. I'm just finishing up on what I DO know for some other empty columns, so I don't have to retire and start over and over again for stuff that I DON'T know about. Also I figured out that you get more piety for Ironshield based not on how much current gold you have(I had 70 max and only got 5 piety), but how much you picked up during that level.[[User:tcarndt|tcarndt]] June 18 18:25. <br /> -----------<br /> Pretty sure I've gotten extra mana per level from the Pactmaker. Anyone else notice, or am I seeing things?<br /> <br /> Almost: Yeah, I think something like that happens. The pactmaker may also give bonuses to health and attack when you level up, but I haven't been paying enough attention to notice.<br /> <br /> Also, I think the magic only god does more than what is written, although I can't remember exactly off the top of my head.<br /> <br /> In case anyone was curious, if you worship the Pactmaker at &lt;= 5hp, you die.<br /> <br /> -----------<br /> <br /> Guys, I'm beginning to work on filling out the new piety section. Any help would be greatly appreciated -Lightstriker<br /> Please note for EVERYONE that it will be inaccurate/ incomplete for quite a bit.<br /> <br /> -----------<br /> <br /> If you have explored 100% of the map when you worship the pactmaker, you start with 40 favor. I'm guessing that it scales, since when I had around 50% I got around 20 favor. Other gods seem to use other systems for granting initial favor. JJ seems to use a random number 1-20 maybe? (it makes a reference to the die being set in motion) Mystera is based off MP spent? Or possibly straight spells cast? spent 70 on 10 casts of endiswal and got 16, spent 70 on 70 casts of bysseps got 16, spent 0 on no casts and got 0.<br /> <br /> Ironshield seems to give piety based on gold. Don't call me out on that, but worth checking.<br /> <br /> *Glowing Guardian seems to give piety based on damage received. Dracul looks to be based on damage given? Trog I think is based on kills. (or those two might be reversed). I suspect Tikki Tooki is based either on how many items you've picked up or how many items you've purchased. [[User:Neongrey|Neongrey]] 08:20, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> **I received 32 starting piety from Glowing Guardian without having done a single fight in that iteration. It's possible that it might include damage from previous lives (not sure if that's intended or not). [[User:Cait|Cait]] 22:05, 23 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> I was just playing a game as a Bloodmage worshipping the Earthmother and I seemed to lose piety for eating a corpse (per the bloodmage ability).<br /> <br /> <br /> *Tiki Tooki: 50% of money spent, rounded down<br /> **Not 50%, I just bought a Magician's Moonstrike for 120 (and nothing else) and he gave me 21 piety<br /> *Pactmaker: 10% of cells explored, rounded down<br /> *Binlor: 4% of cash on hand (could be off on that, since I'm still at 75 max cash)<br /> <br /> Anyone know the scaling formula for MA's starting piety? It's probably similar to the scaling of TT etc, but it's the easiest to test (since you can carefully control MP spent.<br /> <br /> {| border=&quot;1&quot; cellspacing=&quot;0&quot; cellpadding=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;border-collapse: collapse;&quot;<br /> |- style=&quot;background-color: #EEEEEE&quot;<br /> !mp spent<br /> !piety granted<br /> |-<br /> |1||2<br /> |-<br /> |2||2<br /> |-<br /> |80||16<br /> |-<br /> |99||18<br /> |}<br /> ------<br /> This 10 minute crawler is relatively sure that Binlor gives starting piety based on the amount of gold you've picked up over the course of the current map, and has also figured out that this is not post-active. Binlor, although he gives piety based on collected gold when you begin worshiping him, does not give piety for gold picked up thereafter. He's a lot like the Pactmaker who gives starting piety based on cells explored, in that you're better off exploring 3/4 of the map and planning the entire adventure out beforehand.<br /> <br /> Addendum: Converting a rune to gold with the Goblin's racial trait does not seem to please Binlor in this way. Damn.<br /> <br /> I've also noticed that penalties don't seem to be retroactive in this way. Converting a Glyph under Mysteria will get you in trouble, however converting all but say the Fireball rune on the map and THEN going into her service does not provide you with negative starting piety and is thus actually recommended for an &quot;Elf Wizard&quot; or similar combination.<br /> * Similarly, Trog rewards piety only for glyphs you destroy in his service and none before. So better for him to save them and convert them once you commit. [[User:Neongrey|Neongrey]] 16:32, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> -----------<br /> <br /> I noticed the initial piety boost for pactmaker was edited into the table-- since all gods give piety based on some condition or other, should that all be listed under that column? or should we make a separate column for it? [[User:Neongrey|Neongrey]] 17:41, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I'd love a new column, but the thing's already pretty wide. Are people going to have problems with the width of the thing with all those columns?<br /> <br /> -----------<br /> (10 minute crawler again) You could change the Column title from &quot;Worship&quot; to &quot;On Worship&quot;, and then in that allotted cell could describe not just effects that happen on the moment of worship such as loss of HP or Gold, but also the &quot;starting piety&quot; effect conditions and you would not only not need another column, you'd also help fill in the table and compensate for the giant entries in the &quot;Options&quot; column.<br /> Also:<br /> <br /> Glowing guardian:<br /> # Kill an undead enemy: +1 Piety <br /> # Kill a snake: +1 Piety<br /> # Kill an imp: +1 Piety<br /> # Kill a warlock: +1 Piety <br /> <br /> Just say<br /> # Kill a snake, imp, undead enemy, or warlock: +1 Piety<br /> <br /> <br /> -------<br /> <br /> Nix this aside, I just had Jehora transform a boss into Firecracker (the second campaign boss.)<br /> <br /> ---------------------<br /> <br /> Jehora: Important!<br /> I began a map within arm's reach of a Jehora altar during the first of the elven campaign and, wanting the eventual polymorph, worshiped her. She gave me 25 starting piety, so her piety isn't random 1-20. The only thing I did in the map was pick up some gold out of curiosity, but only 3 pieces and we already know Binlor is the patron saint of loose change. ( http://yfrog.com/j125pp )<br /> <br /> Also, Tikki gives +1 piety when you teleport an enemy via the Pisorf rune. (&quot;Such a delightful display of disorientation! +1 piety)<br /> <br /> Taurog: Also important!<br /> Your wording for one of his boons is wrong. You do not GAIN 25% magic resistance, you are SET to 25% magic resistance. This means that if you choose the Berserker class or are forced into such as the third map of the elven campaign, you must NEVER purchase this upgrade. A Barbarian begins the game with 50% magic resistance, but this will be overridden by Taurog's &quot;buff&quot; and you will end up with less Magic Resistance than before- and during the course of a challenge map such as the Campaign, this is a very fatal error. Taurog does not GIVE resistance, he SETS resistance. This is even the wording in-game.<br /> <br /> ----------------------<br /> <br /> I'm going to assume Jehora penalizes you for using CYDSTEPP or GETINDARE...<br /> <br /> ----------------------<br /> Tried to cleanup the layout.<br /> --[[User:XuaXua|XuaXua]] 16:13, 25 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I'm pretty sure Tikki Tooki only removes your dodge bonuses the first time you get hit, if you have them.<br /> *No. No. Tiiki only removes your dodge and gives everything first strike if you fall to 0 piety with him. What you probably did was buy the dodge bonus at 15 piety, leaving you at 0, and then went and got hit which would have instantly triggered his anger effect. If you take the simple precaution of giving yourself a little piety buffer, the anger effect becomes completely irrelevant.</div>

Arturo http://www.qcfdesign.com/wiki/DesktopDungeons/index.php?title=Talk:Alpha:Races&diff=1112 2010-06-29T06:41:11Z

<p>Arturo: Created page with '*Vampires no longer instantly die when they explore a number of tiles that would reduce them to 0 current HP. They will die however, if attempting to power a glyph that they do n…'</p> <hr /> <div>*Vampires no longer instantly die when they explore a number of tiles that would reduce them to 0 current HP. They will die however, if attempting to power a glyph that they do not have the current HP to sustain. <br /> This is a major change. A Vampire no longer relies on as much luck in order to get rolling initially- because they have a native first strike, they can overpower creatures their level while even at 1 hp from dungeon exploration.</div>

Arturo http://www.qcfdesign.com/wiki/DesktopDungeons/index.php?title=Talk:Gods&diff=1111 2010-06-29T06:39:32Z

<p>Arturo: </p> <hr /> <div>Point of interest, I played a random map as a Vampire, and I was able to worship the Glowing Guardian without him immediately killing me. Immediately after, something I killed angered the Glowing Guardian somehow- perhaps through use of Lifesteal?<br /> <br /> -----------<br /> <br /> Not sure if this is where to post it, but activating and deactivating BLUDTUPOWA gives you piety for Mysteria Annur, giving a free source of infinite piety. Also, you can freeze the game by getting boons from Taurog when you have less than 2 max mana.<br /> <br /> *I just tested this as a Wizard in the Library. I picked up BLUDTUPOWA, started worshiping Mysteria, and I did not get piety for turning it on and off. I know for a fact however, that the harmful opposite is true: activating and deactivating this rune in the service of Binlor will anger him every single time. I suspect Taurog is angered similarly, and originally also had suspicions that it would please Mysteria, but this wasn't the case here.<br /> <br /> This was a bug removed in a recent patch.<br /> -----------<br /> <br /> I just made some major edits to the page, I added the Boons for Jehora and Mystera, what happens when you first worship them(and the Pactmaker and Tikki as well). Too much to count now though, I'm playing the game as I go so I'm pretty sure I got it down for those guys. I'm just finishing up on what I DO know for some other empty columns, so I don't have to retire and start over and over again for stuff that I DON'T know about. Also I figured out that you get more piety for Ironshield based not on how much current gold you have(I had 70 max and only got 5 piety), but how much you picked up during that level.[[User:tcarndt|tcarndt]] June 18 18:25. <br /> -----------<br /> Pretty sure I've gotten extra mana per level from the Pactmaker. Anyone else notice, or am I seeing things?<br /> <br /> Almost: Yeah, I think something like that happens. The pactmaker may also give bonuses to health and attack when you level up, but I haven't been paying enough attention to notice.<br /> <br /> Also, I think the magic only god does more than what is written, although I can't remember exactly off the top of my head.<br /> <br /> In case anyone was curious, if you worship the Pactmaker at &lt;= 5hp, you die.<br /> <br /> -----------<br /> <br /> Guys, I'm beginning to work on filling out the new piety section. Any help would be greatly appreciated -Lightstriker<br /> Please note for EVERYONE that it will be inaccurate/ incomplete for quite a bit.<br /> <br /> -----------<br /> <br /> If you have explored 100% of the map when you worship the pactmaker, you start with 40 favor. I'm guessing that it scales, since when I had around 50% I got around 20 favor. Other gods seem to use other systems for granting initial favor. JJ seems to use a random number 1-20 maybe? (it makes a reference to the die being set in motion) Mystera is based off MP spent? Or possibly straight spells cast? spent 70 on 10 casts of endiswal and got 16, spent 70 on 70 casts of bysseps got 16, spent 0 on no casts and got 0.<br /> <br /> Ironshield seems to give piety based on gold. Don't call me out on that, but worth checking.<br /> <br /> *Glowing Guardian seems to give piety based on damage received. Dracul looks to be based on damage given? Trog I think is based on kills. (or those two might be reversed). I suspect Tikki Tooki is based either on how many items you've picked up or how many items you've purchased. [[User:Neongrey|Neongrey]] 08:20, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> **I received 32 starting piety from Glowing Guardian without having done a single fight in that iteration. It's possible that it might include damage from previous lives (not sure if that's intended or not). [[User:Cait|Cait]] 22:05, 23 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> I was just playing a game as a Bloodmage worshipping the Earthmother and I seemed to lose piety for eating a corpse (per the bloodmage ability).<br /> <br /> <br /> *Tiki Tooki: 50% of money spent, rounded down<br /> **Not 50%, I just bought a Magician's Moonstrike for 120 (and nothing else) and he gave me 21 piety<br /> *Pactmaker: 10% of cells explored, rounded down<br /> *Binlor: 4% of cash on hand (could be off on that, since I'm still at 75 max cash)<br /> <br /> Anyone know the scaling formula for MA's starting piety? It's probably similar to the scaling of TT etc, but it's the easiest to test (since you can carefully control MP spent.<br /> <br /> {| border=&quot;1&quot; cellspacing=&quot;0&quot; cellpadding=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;border-collapse: collapse;&quot;<br /> |- style=&quot;background-color: #EEEEEE&quot;<br /> !mp spent<br /> !piety granted<br /> |-<br /> |1||2<br /> |-<br /> |2||2<br /> |-<br /> |80||16<br /> |-<br /> |99||18<br /> |}<br /> ------<br /> This 10 minute crawler is relatively sure that Binlor gives starting piety based on the amount of gold you've picked up over the course of the current map, and has also figured out that this is not post-active. Binlor, although he gives piety based on collected gold when you begin worshiping him, does not give piety for gold picked up thereafter. He's a lot like the Pactmaker who gives starting piety based on cells explored, in that you're better off exploring 3/4 of the map and planning the entire adventure out beforehand.<br /> <br /> Addendum: Converting a rune to gold with the Goblin's racial trait does not seem to please Binlor in this way. Damn.<br /> <br /> I've also noticed that penalties don't seem to be retroactive in this way. Converting a Glyph under Mysteria will get you in trouble, however converting all but say the Fireball rune on the map and THEN going into her service does not provide you with negative starting piety and is thus actually recommended for an &quot;Elf Wizard&quot; or similar combination.<br /> * Similarly, Trog rewards piety only for glyphs you destroy in his service and none before. So better for him to save them and convert them once you commit. [[User:Neongrey|Neongrey]] 16:32, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> -----------<br /> <br /> I noticed the initial piety boost for pactmaker was edited into the table-- since all gods give piety based on some condition or other, should that all be listed under that column? or should we make a separate column for it? [[User:Neongrey|Neongrey]] 17:41, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I'd love a new column, but the thing's already pretty wide. Are people going to have problems with the width of the thing with all those columns?<br /> <br /> -----------<br /> (10 minute crawler again) You could change the Column title from &quot;Worship&quot; to &quot;On Worship&quot;, and then in that allotted cell could describe not just effects that happen on the moment of worship such as loss of HP or Gold, but also the &quot;starting piety&quot; effect conditions and you would not only not need another column, you'd also help fill in the table and compensate for the giant entries in the &quot;Options&quot; column.<br /> Also:<br /> <br /> Glowing guardian:<br /> # Kill an undead enemy: +1 Piety <br /> # Kill a snake: +1 Piety<br /> # Kill an imp: +1 Piety<br /> # Kill a warlock: +1 Piety <br /> <br /> Just say<br /> # Kill a snake, imp, undead enemy, or warlock: +1 Piety<br /> <br /> <br /> -------<br /> <br /> Nix this aside, I just had Jehora transform a boss into Firecracker (the second campaign boss.)<br /> <br /> ---------------------<br /> <br /> Jehora: Important!<br /> I began a map within arm's reach of a Jehora altar during the first of the elven campaign and, wanting the eventual polymorph, worshiped her. She gave me 25 starting piety, so her piety isn't random 1-20. The only thing I did in the map was pick up some gold out of curiosity, but only 3 pieces and we already know Binlor is the patron saint of loose change. ( http://yfrog.com/j125pp )<br /> <br /> Also, Tikki gives +1 piety when you teleport an enemy via the Pisorf rune. (&quot;Such a delightful display of disorientation! +1 piety)<br /> <br /> Taurog: Also important!<br /> Your wording for one of his boons is wrong. You do not GAIN 25% magic resistance, you are SET to 25% magic resistance. This means that if you choose the Berserker class or are forced into such as the third map of the elven campaign, you must NEVER purchase this upgrade. A Barbarian begins the game with 50% magic resistance, but this will be overridden by Taurog's &quot;buff&quot; and you will end up with less Magic Resistance than before- and during the course of a challenge map such as the Campaign, this is a very fatal error. Taurog does not GIVE resistance, he SETS resistance. This is even the wording in-game.<br /> <br /> ----------------------<br /> <br /> I'm going to assume Jehora penalizes you for using CYDSTEPP or GETINDARE...<br /> <br /> ----------------------<br /> Tried to cleanup the layout.<br /> --[[User:XuaXua|XuaXua]] 16:13, 25 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I'm pretty sure Tikki Tooki only removes your dodge bonuses the first time you get hit, if you have them.</div>

Arturo http://www.qcfdesign.com/wiki/DesktopDungeons/index.php?title=Talk:Gods&diff=1042 2010-06-22T00:08:48Z

<p>Arturo: </p> <hr /> <div>Not sure if this is where to post it, but activating and deactivating BLUDTUPOWA gives you piety for Mysteria Annur, giving a free source of infinite piety. Also, you can freeze the game by getting boons from Taurog when you have less than 2 max mana.<br /> <br /> *I just tested this as a Wizard in the Library. I picked up BLUDTUPOWA, started worshiping Mysteria, and I did not get piety for turning it on and off. I know for a fact however, that the harmful opposite is true: activating and deactivating this rune in the service of Binlor will anger him every single time. I suspect Taurog is angered similarly, and originally also had suspicions that it would please Mysteria, but this wasn't the case here.<br /> <br /> -----------<br /> <br /> I just made some major edits to the page, I added the Boons for Jehora and Mystera, what happens when you first worship them(and the Pactmaker and Tikki as well). Too much to count now though, I'm playing the game as I go so I'm pretty sure I got it down for those guys. I'm just finishing up on what I DO know for some other empty columns, so I don't have to retire and start over and over again for stuff that I DON'T know about. Also I figured out that you get more piety for Ironshield based not on how much current gold you have(I had 70 max and only got 5 piety), but how much you picked up during that level.[[User:tcarndt|tcarndt]] June 18 18:25. <br /> -----------<br /> Pretty sure I've gotten extra mana per level from the Pactmaker. Anyone else notice, or am I seeing things?<br /> <br /> Almost: Yeah, I think something like that happens. The pactmaker may also give bonuses to health and attack when you level up, but I haven't been paying enough attention to notice.<br /> <br /> Also, I think the magic only god does more than what is written, although I can't remember exactly off the top of my head.<br /> <br /> In case anyone was curious, if you worship the Pactmaker at &lt;= 5hp, you die.<br /> <br /> -----------<br /> <br /> Guys, I'm beginning to work on filling out the new piety section. Any help would be greatly appreciated -Lightstriker<br /> Please note for EVERYONE that it will be inaccurate/ incomplete for quite a bit.<br /> <br /> -----------<br /> <br /> If you have explored 100% of the map when you worship the pactmaker, you start with 40 favor. I'm guessing that it scales, since when I had around 50% I got around 20 favor. Other gods seem to use other systems for granting initial favor. JJ seems to use a random number 1-20 maybe? (it makes a reference to the die being set in motion) Mystera is based off MP spent? Or possibly straight spells cast? spent 70 on 10 casts of endiswal and got 16, spent 70 on 70 casts of bysseps got 16, spent 0 on no casts and got 0.<br /> <br /> Ironshield seems to give piety based on gold. Don't call me out on that, but worth checking.<br /> <br /> *Glowing Guardian seems to give piety based on damage received. Dracul looks to be based on damage given? Trog I think is based on kills. (or those two might be reversed). I suspect Tikki Tooki is based either on how many items you've picked up or how many items you've purchased. [[User:Neongrey|Neongrey]] 08:20, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I was just playing a game as a Bloodmage worshipping the Earthmother and I seemed to lose piety for eating a corpse (per the bloodmage ability).<br /> <br /> <br /> *Tiki Tooki: 50% of money spent, rounded down<br /> **Not 50%, I just bought a Magician's Moonstrike for 120 (and nothing else) and he gave me 21 piety<br /> *Pactmaker: 10% of cells explored, rounded down<br /> *Binlor: 4% of cash on hand (could be off on that, since I'm still at 75 max cash)<br /> <br /> Anyone know the scaling formula for MA's starting piety? It's probably similar to the scaling of TT etc, but it's the easiest to test (since you can carefully control MP spent.<br /> <br /> {| border=&quot;1&quot; cellspacing=&quot;0&quot; cellpadding=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;border-collapse: collapse;&quot;<br /> |- style=&quot;background-color: #EEEEEE&quot;<br /> !mp spent<br /> !piety granted<br /> |-<br /> |1||2<br /> |-<br /> |2||2<br /> |-<br /> |80||16<br /> |-<br /> |99||18<br /> |}<br /> ------<br /> This 10 minute crawler is relatively sure that Binlor gives starting piety based on the amount of gold you've picked up over the course of the current map, and has also figured out that this is not post-active. Binlor, although he gives piety based on collected gold when you begin worshiping him, does not give piety for gold picked up thereafter. He's a lot like the Pactmaker who gives starting piety based on cells explored, in that you're better off exploring 3/4 of the map and planning the entire adventure out beforehand.<br /> <br /> Addendum: Converting a rune to gold with the Goblin's racial trait does not seem to please Binlor in this way. Damn.<br /> <br /> I've also noticed that penalties don't seem to be retroactive in this way. Converting a Glyph under Mysteria will get you in trouble, however converting all but say the Fireball rune on the map and THEN going into her service does not provide you with negative starting piety and is thus actually recommended for an &quot;Elf Wizard&quot; or similar combination.<br /> * Similarly, Trog rewards piety only for glyphs you destroy in his service and none before. So better for him to save them and convert them once you commit. [[User:Neongrey|Neongrey]] 16:32, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> -----------<br /> <br /> I noticed the initial piety boost for pactmaker was edited into the table-- since all gods give piety based on some condition or other, should that all be listed under that column? or should we make a separate column for it? [[User:Neongrey|Neongrey]] 17:41, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I'd love a new column, but the thing's already pretty wide. Are people going to have problems with the width of the thing with all those columns?<br /> <br /> -----------<br /> (10 minute crawler again) You could change the Column title from &quot;Worship&quot; to &quot;On Worship&quot;, and then in that allotted cell could describe not just effects that happen on the moment of worship such as loss of HP or Gold, but also the &quot;starting piety&quot; effect conditions and you would not only not need another column, you'd also help fill in the table and compensate for the giant entries in the &quot;Options&quot; column.<br /> Also:<br /> <br /> Glowing guardian:<br /> # Kill an undead enemy: +1 Piety <br /> # Kill a snake: +1 Piety<br /> # Kill an imp: +1 Piety<br /> # Kill a warlock: +1 Piety <br /> <br /> Just say<br /> # Kill a snake, imp, undead enemy, or warlock: +1 Piety<br /> <br /> <br /> -------<br /> <br /> Nix this aside, I just had Jehora transform a boss into Firecracker (the second campaign boss.)<br /> <br /> ---------------------<br /> <br /> Jehora: Important!<br /> I began a map within arm's reach of a Jehora altar during the first of the elven campaign and, wanting the eventual polymorph, worshiped her. She gave me 25 starting piety, so her piety isn't random 1-20. The only thing I did in the map was pick up some gold out of curiosity, but only 3 pieces and we already know Binlor is the patron saint of loose change. ( http://yfrog.com/j125pp )<br /> <br /> Also, Tikki gives +1 piety when you teleport an enemy via the Pisorf rune. (&quot;Such a delightful display of disorientation! +1 piety)<br /> <br /> Taurog: Also important!<br /> Your wording for one of his boons is wrong. You do not GAIN 25% magic resistance, you are SET to 25% magic resistance. This means that if you choose the Berserker class or are forced into such as the third map of the elven campaign, you must NEVER purchase this upgrade. A Barbarian begins the game with 50% magic resistance, but this will be overridden by Taurog's &quot;buff&quot; and you will end up with less Magic Resistance than before- and during the course of a challenge map such as the Campaign, this is a very fatal error. Taurog does not GIVE resistance, he SETS resistance. This is even the wording in-game.<br /> <br /> ----------------------<br /> <br /> I'm going to assume Jehora penalizes you for using CYDSTEPP or GETINDARE...</div>

Arturo http://www.qcfdesign.com/wiki/DesktopDungeons/index.php?title=Talk:Gods&diff=1041 2010-06-22T00:08:22Z

<p>Arturo: </p> <hr /> <div>Not sure if this is where to post it, but activating and deactivating BLUDTUPOWA gives you piety for Mysteria Annur, giving a free source of infinite piety. Also, you can freeze the game by getting boons from Taurog when you have less than 2 max mana.<br /> <br /> *I just tested this as a Wizard in the Library. I picked up BLUDTUPOWA, started worshiping Mysteria, and I did not get piety for turning it on and off. I know for a fact however, that the harmful opposite is true: activating and deactivating this rune in the service of Binlor will anger him every single time. I suspect Taurog is angered similarly, and originally also had suspicions that it would please Mysteria, but this isn't the case here.<br /> <br /> -----------<br /> <br /> I just made some major edits to the page, I added the Boons for Jehora and Mystera, what happens when you first worship them(and the Pactmaker and Tikki as well). Too much to count now though, I'm playing the game as I go so I'm pretty sure I got it down for those guys. I'm just finishing up on what I DO know for some other empty columns, so I don't have to retire and start over and over again for stuff that I DON'T know about. Also I figured out that you get more piety for Ironshield based not on how much current gold you have(I had 70 max and only got 5 piety), but how much you picked up during that level.[[User:tcarndt|tcarndt]] June 18 18:25. <br /> -----------<br /> Pretty sure I've gotten extra mana per level from the Pactmaker. Anyone else notice, or am I seeing things?<br /> <br /> Almost: Yeah, I think something like that happens. The pactmaker may also give bonuses to health and attack when you level up, but I haven't been paying enough attention to notice.<br /> <br /> Also, I think the magic only god does more than what is written, although I can't remember exactly off the top of my head.<br /> <br /> In case anyone was curious, if you worship the Pactmaker at &lt;= 5hp, you die.<br /> <br /> -----------<br /> <br /> Guys, I'm beginning to work on filling out the new piety section. Any help would be greatly appreciated -Lightstriker<br /> Please note for EVERYONE that it will be inaccurate/ incomplete for quite a bit.<br /> <br /> -----------<br /> <br /> If you have explored 100% of the map when you worship the pactmaker, you start with 40 favor. I'm guessing that it scales, since when I had around 50% I got around 20 favor. Other gods seem to use other systems for granting initial favor. JJ seems to use a random number 1-20 maybe? (it makes a reference to the die being set in motion) Mystera is based off MP spent? Or possibly straight spells cast? spent 70 on 10 casts of endiswal and got 16, spent 70 on 70 casts of bysseps got 16, spent 0 on no casts and got 0.<br /> <br /> Ironshield seems to give piety based on gold. Don't call me out on that, but worth checking.<br /> <br /> *Glowing Guardian seems to give piety based on damage received. Dracul looks to be based on damage given? Trog I think is based on kills. (or those two might be reversed). I suspect Tikki Tooki is based either on how many items you've picked up or how many items you've purchased. [[User:Neongrey|Neongrey]] 08:20, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I was just playing a game as a Bloodmage worshipping the Earthmother and I seemed to lose piety for eating a corpse (per the bloodmage ability).<br /> <br /> <br /> *Tiki Tooki: 50% of money spent, rounded down<br /> **Not 50%, I just bought a Magician's Moonstrike for 120 (and nothing else) and he gave me 21 piety<br /> *Pactmaker: 10% of cells explored, rounded down<br /> *Binlor: 4% of cash on hand (could be off on that, since I'm still at 75 max cash)<br /> <br /> Anyone know the scaling formula for MA's starting piety? It's probably similar to the scaling of TT etc, but it's the easiest to test (since you can carefully control MP spent.<br /> <br /> {| border=&quot;1&quot; cellspacing=&quot;0&quot; cellpadding=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;border-collapse: collapse;&quot;<br /> |- style=&quot;background-color: #EEEEEE&quot;<br /> !mp spent<br /> !piety granted<br /> |-<br /> |1||2<br /> |-<br /> |2||2<br /> |-<br /> |80||16<br /> |-<br /> |99||18<br /> |}<br /> ------<br /> This 10 minute crawler is relatively sure that Binlor gives starting piety based on the amount of gold you've picked up over the course of the current map, and has also figured out that this is not post-active. Binlor, although he gives piety based on collected gold when you begin worshiping him, does not give piety for gold picked up thereafter. He's a lot like the Pactmaker who gives starting piety based on cells explored, in that you're better off exploring 3/4 of the map and planning the entire adventure out beforehand.<br /> <br /> Addendum: Converting a rune to gold with the Goblin's racial trait does not seem to please Binlor in this way. Damn.<br /> <br /> I've also noticed that penalties don't seem to be retroactive in this way. Converting a Glyph under Mysteria will get you in trouble, however converting all but say the Fireball rune on the map and THEN going into her service does not provide you with negative starting piety and is thus actually recommended for an &quot;Elf Wizard&quot; or similar combination.<br /> * Similarly, Trog rewards piety only for glyphs you destroy in his service and none before. So better for him to save them and convert them once you commit. [[User:Neongrey|Neongrey]] 16:32, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> -----------<br /> <br /> I noticed the initial piety boost for pactmaker was edited into the table-- since all gods give piety based on some condition or other, should that all be listed under that column? or should we make a separate column for it? [[User:Neongrey|Neongrey]] 17:41, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I'd love a new column, but the thing's already pretty wide. Are people going to have problems with the width of the thing with all those columns?<br /> <br /> -----------<br /> (10 minute crawler again) You could change the Column title from &quot;Worship&quot; to &quot;On Worship&quot;, and then in that allotted cell could describe not just effects that happen on the moment of worship such as loss of HP or Gold, but also the &quot;starting piety&quot; effect conditions and you would not only not need another column, you'd also help fill in the table and compensate for the giant entries in the &quot;Options&quot; column.<br /> Also:<br /> <br /> Glowing guardian:<br /> # Kill an undead enemy: +1 Piety <br /> # Kill a snake: +1 Piety<br /> # Kill an imp: +1 Piety<br /> # Kill a warlock: +1 Piety <br /> <br /> Just say<br /> # Kill a snake, imp, undead enemy, or warlock: +1 Piety<br /> <br /> <br /> -------<br /> <br /> Nix this aside, I just had Jehora transform a boss into Firecracker (the second campaign boss.)<br /> <br /> ---------------------<br /> <br /> Jehora: Important!<br /> I began a map within arm's reach of a Jehora altar during the first of the elven campaign and, wanting the eventual polymorph, worshiped her. She gave me 25 starting piety, so her piety isn't random 1-20. The only thing I did in the map was pick up some gold out of curiosity, but only 3 pieces and we already know Binlor is the patron saint of loose change. ( http://yfrog.com/j125pp )<br /> <br /> Also, Tikki gives +1 piety when you teleport an enemy via the Pisorf rune. (&quot;Such a delightful display of disorientation! +1 piety)<br /> <br /> Taurog: Also important!<br /> Your wording for one of his boons is wrong. You do not GAIN 25% magic resistance, you are SET to 25% magic resistance. This means that if you choose the Berserker class or are forced into such as the third map of the elven campaign, you must NEVER purchase this upgrade. A Barbarian begins the game with 50% magic resistance, but this will be overridden by Taurog's &quot;buff&quot; and you will end up with less Magic Resistance than before- and during the course of a challenge map such as the Campaign, this is a very fatal error. Taurog does not GIVE resistance, he SETS resistance. This is even the wording in-game.<br /> <br /> ----------------------<br /> <br /> I'm going to assume Jehora penalizes you for using CYDSTEPP or GETINDARE...</div>

Arturo http://www.qcfdesign.com/wiki/DesktopDungeons/index.php?title=Talk:Gods&diff=1023 2010-06-19T11:18:41Z

<p>Arturo: </p> <hr /> <div>I just made some major edits to the page, I added the Boons for Jehora and Mystera, what happens when you first worship them(and the Pactmaker and Tikki as well). Too much to count now though, I'm playing the game as I go so I'm pretty sure I got it down for those guys. I'm just finishing up on what I DO know for some other empty columns, so I don't have to retire and start over and over again for stuff that I DON'T know about. Also I figured out that you get more piety for Ironshield based not on how much current gold you have(I had 70 max and only got 5 piety), but how much you picked up during that level.[[User:tcarndt|tcarndt]] June 18 18:25. <br /> -----------<br /> Pretty sure I've gotten extra mana per level from the Pactmaker. Anyone else notice, or am I seeing things?<br /> <br /> Almost: Yeah, I think something like that happens. The pactmaker may also give bonuses to health and attack when you level up, but I haven't been paying enough attention to notice.<br /> <br /> Also, I think the magic only god does more than what is written, although I can't remember exactly off the top of my head.<br /> <br /> In case anyone was curious, if you worship the Pactmaker at &lt;= 5hp, you die.<br /> <br /> -----------<br /> <br /> Guys, I'm beginning to work on filling out the new piety section. Any help would be greatly appreciated -Lightstriker<br /> Please note for EVERYONE that it will be inaccurate/ incomplete for quite a bit.<br /> <br /> -----------<br /> <br /> If you have explored 100% of the map when you worship the pactmaker, you start with 40 favor. I'm guessing that it scales, since when I had around 50% I got around 20 favor. Other gods seem to use other systems for granting initial favor. JJ seems to use a random number 1-20 maybe? (it makes a reference to the die being set in motion) Mystera is based off MP spent? Or possibly straight spells cast? spent 70 on 10 casts of endiswal and got 16, spent 70 on 70 casts of bysseps got 16, spent 0 on no casts and got 0.<br /> <br /> Ironshield seems to give piety based on gold. Don't call me out on that, but worth checking.<br /> <br /> *Glowing Guardian seems to give piety based on damage received. Dracul looks to be based on damage given? Trog I think is based on kills. (or those two might be reversed). I suspect Tikki Tooki is based either on how many items you've picked up or how many items you've purchased. [[User:Neongrey|Neongrey]] 08:20, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I was just playing a game as a Bloodmage worshipping the Earthmother and I seemed to lose piety for eating a corpse (per the bloodmage ability).<br /> <br /> <br /> *Tiki Tooki: 50% of money spent, rounded down<br /> **Not 50%, I just bought a Magician's Moonstrike for 120 (and nothing else) and he gave me 21 piety<br /> *Pactmaker: 10% of cells explored, rounded down<br /> *Binlor: 4% of cash on hand (could be off on that, since I'm still at 75 max cash)<br /> <br /> <br /> ------<br /> This 10 minute crawler is relatively sure that Binlor gives starting piety based on the amount of gold you've picked up over the course of the current map, and has also figured out that this is not post-active. Binlor, although he gives piety based on collected gold when you begin worshiping him, does not give piety for gold picked up thereafter. He's a lot like the Pactmaker who gives starting piety based on cells explored, in that you're better off exploring 3/4 of the map and planning the entire adventure out beforehand.<br /> <br /> Addendum: Converting a rune to gold with the Goblin's racial trait does not seem to please Binlor in this way. Damn.<br /> <br /> I've also noticed that penalties don't seem to be retroactive in this way. Converting a Glyph under Mysteria will get you in trouble, however converting all but say the Fireball rune on the map and THEN going into her service does not provide you with negative starting piety and is thus actually recommended for an &quot;Elf Wizard&quot; or similar combination.<br /> * Similarly, Trog rewards piety only for glyphs you destroy in his service and none before. So better for him to save them and convert them once you commit. [[User:Neongrey|Neongrey]] 16:32, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> -----------<br /> <br /> I noticed the initial piety boost for pactmaker was edited into the table-- since all gods give piety based on some condition or other, should that all be listed under that column? or should we make a separate column for it? [[User:Neongrey|Neongrey]] 17:41, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I'd love a new column, but the thing's already pretty wide. Are people going to have problems with the width of the thing with all those columns?<br /> <br /> -----------<br /> (10 minute crawler again) You could change the Column title from &quot;Worship&quot; to &quot;On Worship&quot;, and then in that allotted cell could describe not just effects that happen on the moment of worship such as loss of HP or Gold, but also the &quot;starting piety&quot; effect conditions and you would not only not need another column, you'd also help fill in the table and compensate for the giant entries in the &quot;Options&quot; column.<br /> Also:<br /> <br /> Glowing guardian:<br /> # Kill an undead enemy: +1 Piety <br /> # Kill a snake: +1 Piety<br /> # Kill an imp: +1 Piety<br /> # Kill a warlock: +1 Piety <br /> <br /> Just say<br /> # Kill a snake, imp, undead enemy, or warlock: +1 Piety<br /> <br /> <br /> -------<br /> <br /> Nix this aside, I just had Jehora transform a boss into Firecracker (the second campaign boss.)<br /> <br /> ---------------------<br /> <br /> Jehora: Important!<br /> I began a map within arm's reach of a Jehora altar during the first of the elven campaign and, wanting the eventual polymorph, worshiped her. She gave me 25 starting piety, so her piety isn't random 1-20. The only thing I did in the map was pick up some gold out of curiosity, but only 3 pieces and we already know Binlor is the patron saint of loose change. ( http://yfrog.com/j125pp )<br /> <br /> Also, Tikki gives +1 piety when you teleport an enemy via the Pisorf rune. (&quot;Such a delightful display of disorientation! +1 piety)<br /> <br /> Taurog: Also important!<br /> Your wording for one of his boons is wrong. You do not GAIN 25% magic resistance, you are SET to 25% magic resistance. This means that if you choose the Berserker class or are forced into such as the third map of the elven campaign, you must NEVER purchase this upgrade. A Barbarian begins the game with 50% magic resistance, but this will be overridden by Taurog's &quot;buff&quot; and you will end up with less Magic Resistance than before- and during the course of a challenge map such as the Campaign, this is a very fatal error. Taurog does not GIVE resistance, he SETS resistance. This is even the wording in-game.</div>

Arturo http://www.qcfdesign.com/wiki/DesktopDungeons/index.php?title=Talk:Gods&diff=1021 2010-06-19T10:04:54Z

<p>Arturo: </p> <hr /> <div>I just made some major edits to the page, I added the Boons for Jehora and Mystera, what happens when you first worship them(and the Pactmaker and Tikki as well). Too much to count now though, I'm playing the game as I go so I'm pretty sure I got it down for those guys. I'm just finishing up on what I DO know for some other empty columns, so I don't have to retire and start over and over again for stuff that I DON'T know about. Also I figured out that you get more piety for Ironshield based not on how much current gold you have(I had 70 max and only got 5 piety), but how much you picked up during that level.[[User:tcarndt|tcarndt]] June 18 18:25. <br /> -----------<br /> Pretty sure I've gotten extra mana per level from the Pactmaker. Anyone else notice, or am I seeing things?<br /> <br /> Almost: Yeah, I think something like that happens. The pactmaker may also give bonuses to health and attack when you level up, but I haven't been paying enough attention to notice.<br /> <br /> Also, I think the magic only god does more than what is written, although I can't remember exactly off the top of my head.<br /> <br /> In case anyone was curious, if you worship the Pactmaker at &lt;= 5hp, you die.<br /> <br /> -----------<br /> <br /> Guys, I'm beginning to work on filling out the new piety section. Any help would be greatly appreciated -Lightstriker<br /> Please note for EVERYONE that it will be inaccurate/ incomplete for quite a bit.<br /> <br /> -----------<br /> <br /> If you have explored 100% of the map when you worship the pactmaker, you start with 40 favor. I'm guessing that it scales, since when I had around 50% I got around 20 favor. Other gods seem to use other systems for granting initial favor. JJ seems to use a random number 1-20 maybe? (it makes a reference to the die being set in motion) Mystera is based off MP spent? Or possibly straight spells cast? spent 70 on 10 casts of endiswal and got 16, spent 70 on 70 casts of bysseps got 16, spent 0 on no casts and got 0.<br /> <br /> Ironshield seems to give piety based on gold. Don't call me out on that, but worth checking.<br /> <br /> *Glowing Guardian seems to give piety based on damage received. Dracul looks to be based on damage given? Trog I think is based on kills. (or those two might be reversed). I suspect Tikki Tooki is based either on how many items you've picked up or how many items you've purchased. [[User:Neongrey|Neongrey]] 08:20, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I was just playing a game as a Bloodmage worshipping the Earthmother and I seemed to lose piety for eating a corpse (per the bloodmage ability).<br /> <br /> <br /> *Tiki Tooki: 50% of money spent, rounded down<br /> **Not 50%, I just bought a Magician's Moonstrike for 120 (and nothing else) and he gave me 21 piety<br /> *Pactmaker: 10% of cells explored, rounded down<br /> *Binlor: 4% of cash on hand (could be off on that, since I'm still at 75 max cash)<br /> <br /> <br /> ------<br /> This 10 minute crawler is relatively sure that Binlor gives starting piety based on the amount of gold you've picked up over the course of the current map, and has also figured out that this is not post-active. Binlor, although he gives piety based on collected gold when you begin worshiping him, does not give piety for gold picked up thereafter. He's a lot like the Pactmaker who gives starting piety based on cells explored, in that you're better off exploring 3/4 of the map and planning the entire adventure out beforehand.<br /> <br /> Addendum: Converting a rune to gold with the Goblin's racial trait does not seem to please Binlor in this way. Damn.<br /> <br /> I've also noticed that penalties don't seem to be retroactive in this way. Converting a Glyph under Mysteria will get you in trouble, however converting all but say the Fireball rune on the map and THEN going into her service does not provide you with negative starting piety and is thus actually recommended for an &quot;Elf Wizard&quot; or similar combination.<br /> * Similarly, Trog rewards piety only for glyphs you destroy in his service and none before. So better for him to save them and convert them once you commit. [[User:Neongrey|Neongrey]] 16:32, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> -----------<br /> <br /> I noticed the initial piety boost for pactmaker was edited into the table-- since all gods give piety based on some condition or other, should that all be listed under that column? or should we make a separate column for it? [[User:Neongrey|Neongrey]] 17:41, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I'd love a new column, but the thing's already pretty wide. Are people going to have problems with the width of the thing with all those columns?<br /> <br /> -----------<br /> (10 minute crawler again) You could change the Column title from &quot;Worship&quot; to &quot;On Worship&quot;, and then in that allotted cell could describe not just effects that happen on the moment of worship such as loss of HP or Gold, but also the &quot;starting piety&quot; effect conditions and you would not only not need another column, you'd also help fill in the table and compensate for the giant entries in the &quot;Options&quot; column.<br /> Also:<br /> <br /> Glowing guardian:<br /> # Kill an undead enemy: +1 Piety <br /> # Kill a snake: +1 Piety<br /> # Kill an imp: +1 Piety<br /> # Kill a warlock: +1 Piety <br /> <br /> Just say<br /> # Kill a snake, imp, undead enemy, or warlock: +1 Piety<br /> <br /> <br /> -------<br /> <br /> Nix this aside, I just had Jehora transform a boss into Firecracker (the second campaign boss.)<br /> <br /> ---------------------<br /> <br /> Jehora: Important!<br /> I began a map within arm's reach of a Jehora altar during the first of the elven campaign and, wanting the eventual polymorph, worshiped her. She gave me 25 starting piety, so her piety isn't random 1-20. The only thing I did in the map was pick up some gold out of curiosity, but only 3 pieces and we already know Binlor is the patron saint of loose change. ( http://yfrog.com/j125pp )<br /> <br /> Also, Tikki gives +1 piety when you teleport an enemy via the Pisorf rune. (&quot;Such a delightful display of disorientation! +1 piety)</div>

Arturo http://www.qcfdesign.com/wiki/DesktopDungeons/index.php?title=Talk:Gods&diff=1020 2010-06-19T08:45:42Z

<p>Arturo: </p> <hr /> <div>I just made some major edits to the page, I added the Boons for Jehora and Mystera, what happens when you first worship them(and the Pactmaker and Tikki as well). Too much to count now though, I'm playing the game as I go so I'm pretty sure I got it down for those guys. I'm just finishing up on what I DO know for some other empty columns, so I don't have to retire and start over and over again for stuff that I DON'T know about. Also I figured out that you get more piety for Ironshield based not on how much current gold you have(I had 70 max and only got 5 piety), but how much you picked up during that level.[[User:tcarndt|tcarndt]] June 18 18:25. <br /> -----------<br /> Pretty sure I've gotten extra mana per level from the Pactmaker. Anyone else notice, or am I seeing things?<br /> <br /> Almost: Yeah, I think something like that happens. The pactmaker may also give bonuses to health and attack when you level up, but I haven't been paying enough attention to notice.<br /> <br /> Also, I think the magic only god does more than what is written, although I can't remember exactly off the top of my head.<br /> <br /> In case anyone was curious, if you worship the Pactmaker at &lt;= 5hp, you die.<br /> <br /> -----------<br /> <br /> Guys, I'm beginning to work on filling out the new piety section. Any help would be greatly appreciated -Lightstriker<br /> Please note for EVERYONE that it will be inaccurate/ incomplete for quite a bit.<br /> <br /> -----------<br /> <br /> If you have explored 100% of the map when you worship the pactmaker, you start with 40 favor. I'm guessing that it scales, since when I had around 50% I got around 20 favor. Other gods seem to use other systems for granting initial favor. JJ seems to use a random number 1-20 maybe? (it makes a reference to the die being set in motion) Mystera is based off MP spent? Or possibly straight spells cast? spent 70 on 10 casts of endiswal and got 16, spent 70 on 70 casts of bysseps got 16, spent 0 on no casts and got 0.<br /> <br /> Ironshield seems to give piety based on gold. Don't call me out on that, but worth checking.<br /> <br /> *Glowing Guardian seems to give piety based on damage received. Dracul looks to be based on damage given? Trog I think is based on kills. (or those two might be reversed). I suspect Tikki Tooki is based either on how many items you've picked up or how many items you've purchased. [[User:Neongrey|Neongrey]] 08:20, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I was just playing a game as a Bloodmage worshipping the Earthmother and I seemed to lose piety for eating a corpse (per the bloodmage ability).<br /> <br /> <br /> *Tiki Tooki: 50% of money spent, rounded down<br /> **Not 50%, I just bought a Magician's Moonstrike for 120 (and nothing else) and he gave me 21 piety<br /> *Pactmaker: 10% of cells explored, rounded down<br /> *Binlor: 4% of cash on hand (could be off on that, since I'm still at 75 max cash)<br /> <br /> <br /> ------<br /> This 10 minute crawler is relatively sure that Binlor gives starting piety based on the amount of gold you've picked up over the course of the current map, and has also figured out that this is not post-active. Binlor, although he gives piety based on collected gold when you begin worshiping him, does not give piety for gold picked up thereafter. He's a lot like the Pactmaker who gives starting piety based on cells explored, in that you're better off exploring 3/4 of the map and planning the entire adventure out beforehand.<br /> <br /> Addendum: Converting a rune to gold with the Goblin's racial trait does not seem to please Binlor in this way. Damn.<br /> <br /> I've also noticed that penalties don't seem to be retroactive in this way. Converting a Glyph under Mysteria will get you in trouble, however converting all but say the Fireball rune on the map and THEN going into her service does not provide you with negative starting piety and is thus actually recommended for an &quot;Elf Wizard&quot; or similar combination.<br /> * Similarly, Trog rewards piety only for glyphs you destroy in his service and none before. So better for him to save them and convert them once you commit. [[User:Neongrey|Neongrey]] 16:32, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> -----------<br /> <br /> I noticed the initial piety boost for pactmaker was edited into the table-- since all gods give piety based on some condition or other, should that all be listed under that column? or should we make a separate column for it? [[User:Neongrey|Neongrey]] 17:41, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I'd love a new column, but the thing's already pretty wide. Are people going to have problems with the width of the thing with all those columns?<br /> <br /> -----------<br /> (10 minute crawler again) You could change the Column title from &quot;Worship&quot; to &quot;On Worship&quot;, and then in that allotted cell could describe not just effects that happen on the moment of worship such as loss of HP or Gold, but also the &quot;starting piety&quot; effect conditions and you would not only not need another column, you'd also help fill in the table and compensate for the giant entries in the &quot;Options&quot; column.<br /> Also:<br /> <br /> Glowing guardian:<br /> # Kill an undead enemy: +1 Piety <br /> # Kill a snake: +1 Piety<br /> # Kill an imp: +1 Piety<br /> # Kill a warlock: +1 Piety <br /> <br /> Just say<br /> # Kill a snake, imp, undead enemy, or warlock: +1 Piety<br /> <br /> Also2:<br /> I'd like to throw this out there more as a strategy pointer than anything else- I'm pretty sure that Jehora's new mass polymorph ability is the strongest trick in the game. If you can build your favor up and unleash this, she will actually polymorph the boss of the dungeon as well. This may not seem big until you realize that- the three times I've done it anyway- Jehora only ever creates Tier 1 bosses from this polymorph, and does not create the tougher than normal special bosses that you see in stages like, say, the new 3-stage campaign. By using her Polymorph, you can take the 970+hp super resistant Dragonspawn boss and turn it into a normal ghost boss which is, relatively speaking, easily dispatched.<br /> <br /> ---------------------<br /> <br /> Jehora: Important!<br /> I began a map within arm's reach of a Jehora altar during the first of the elven campaign and, wanting the eventual polymorph, worshiped her. She gave me 25 starting piety, so her piety isn't random 1-20. The only thing I did in the map was pick up some gold out of curiosity, but only 3 pieces and we already know Binlor is the patron saint of loose change. ( http://yfrog.com/j125pp )<br /> <br /> Also, Tikki gives +1 piety when you teleport an enemy via the Pisorf rune. (&quot;Such a delightful display of disorientation! +1 piety)</div>

Arturo http://www.qcfdesign.com/wiki/DesktopDungeons/index.php?title=Talk:Gods&diff=1019 2010-06-19T06:43:07Z

<p>Arturo: </p> <hr /> <div>I just made some major edits to the page, I added the Boons for Jehora and Mystera, what happens when you first worship them(and the Pactmaker and Tikki as well). Too much to count now though, I'm playing the game as I go so I'm pretty sure I got it down for those guys. I'm just finishing up on what I DO know for some other empty columns, so I don't have to retire and start over and over again for stuff that I DON'T know about. Also I figured out that you get more piety for Ironshield based not on how much current gold you have(I had 70 max and only got 5 piety), but how much you picked up during that level.[[User:tcarndt|tcarndt]] June 18 18:25. <br /> -----------<br /> Pretty sure I've gotten extra mana per level from the Pactmaker. Anyone else notice, or am I seeing things?<br /> <br /> Almost: Yeah, I think something like that happens. The pactmaker may also give bonuses to health and attack when you level up, but I haven't been paying enough attention to notice.<br /> <br /> Also, I think the magic only god does more than what is written, although I can't remember exactly off the top of my head.<br /> <br /> In case anyone was curious, if you worship the Pactmaker at &lt;= 5hp, you die.<br /> <br /> -----------<br /> <br /> Guys, I'm beginning to work on filling out the new piety section. Any help would be greatly appreciated -Lightstriker<br /> Please note for EVERYONE that it will be inaccurate/ incomplete for quite a bit.<br /> <br /> -----------<br /> <br /> If you have explored 100% of the map when you worship the pactmaker, you start with 40 favor. I'm guessing that it scales, since when I had around 50% I got around 20 favor. Other gods seem to use other systems for granting initial favor. JJ seems to use a random number 1-20 maybe? (it makes a reference to the die being set in motion) Mystera is based off MP spent? Or possibly straight spells cast? spent 70 on 10 casts of endiswal and got 16, spent 70 on 70 casts of bysseps got 16, spent 0 on no casts and got 0.<br /> <br /> Ironshield seems to give piety based on gold. Don't call me out on that, but worth checking.<br /> <br /> *Glowing Guardian seems to give piety based on damage received. Dracul looks to be based on damage given? Trog I think is based on kills. (or those two might be reversed). I suspect Tikki Tooki is based either on how many items you've picked up or how many items you've purchased. [[User:Neongrey|Neongrey]] 08:20, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I was just playing a game as a Bloodmage worshipping the Earthmother and I seemed to lose piety for eating a corpse (per the bloodmage ability).<br /> <br /> <br /> *Tiki Tooki: 50% of money spent, rounded down<br /> **Not 50%, I just bought a Magician's Moonstrike for 120 (and nothing else) and he gave me 21 piety<br /> *Pactmaker: 10% of cells explored, rounded down<br /> *Binlor: 4% of cash on hand (could be off on that, since I'm still at 75 max cash)<br /> <br /> <br /> ------<br /> This 10 minute crawler is relatively sure that Binlor gives starting piety based on the amount of gold you've picked up over the course of the current map, and has also figured out that this is not post-active. Binlor, although he gives piety based on collected gold when you begin worshiping him, does not give piety for gold picked up thereafter. He's a lot like the Pactmaker who gives starting piety based on cells explored, in that you're better off exploring 3/4 of the map and planning the entire adventure out beforehand.<br /> <br /> Addendum: Converting a rune to gold with the Goblin's racial trait does not seem to please Binlor in this way. Damn.<br /> <br /> I've also noticed that penalties don't seem to be retroactive in this way. Converting a Glyph under Mysteria will get you in trouble, however converting all but say the Fireball rune on the map and THEN going into her service does not provide you with negative starting piety and is thus actually recommended for an &quot;Elf Wizard&quot; or similar combination.<br /> * Similarly, Trog rewards piety only for glyphs you destroy in his service and none before. So better for him to save them and convert them once you commit. [[User:Neongrey|Neongrey]] 16:32, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> -----------<br /> <br /> I noticed the initial piety boost for pactmaker was edited into the table-- since all gods give piety based on some condition or other, should that all be listed under that column? or should we make a separate column for it? [[User:Neongrey|Neongrey]] 17:41, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I'd love a new column, but the thing's already pretty wide. Are people going to have problems with the width of the thing with all those columns?<br /> <br /> -----------<br /> (10 minute crawler again) You could change the Column title from &quot;Worship&quot; to &quot;On Worship&quot;, and then in that allotted cell could describe not just effects that happen on the moment of worship such as loss of HP or Gold, but also the &quot;starting piety&quot; effect conditions and you would not only not need another column, you'd also help fill in the table and compensate for the giant entries in the &quot;Options&quot; column.<br /> Also:<br /> <br /> Glowing guardian:<br /> # Kill an undead enemy: +1 Piety <br /> # Kill a snake: +1 Piety<br /> # Kill an imp: +1 Piety<br /> # Kill a warlock: +1 Piety <br /> <br /> Just say<br /> # Kill a snake, imp, undead enemy, or warlock: +1 Piety<br /> <br /> Also2:<br /> I'd like to throw this out there more as a strategy pointer than anything else- I'm pretty sure that Jehora's new mass polymorph ability is the strongest trick in the game. If you can build your favor up and unleash this, she will actually polymorph the boss of the dungeon as well. This may not seem big until you realize that- the three times I've done it anyway- Jehora only ever creates Tier 1 bosses from this polymorph, and does not create the tougher than normal special bosses that you see in stages like, say, the new 3-stage campaign. By using her Polymorph, you can take the 970+hp super resistant Dragonspawn boss and turn it into a normal ghost boss which is, relatively speaking, easily dispatched.<br /> <br /> ---------------------<br /> <br /> Jehora: Important!<br /> I began a map within arm's reach of a Jehora altar during the first of the elven campaign and, wanting the eventual polymorph, worshiped her. She gave me 25 starting piety, so her piety isn't random 1-20. The only thing I did in the map was pick up some gold out of curiosity, but only 3 pieces and we already know Binlor is the patron saint of loose change. ( http://yfrog.com/j125pp )</div>

Arturo http://www.qcfdesign.com/wiki/DesktopDungeons/index.php?title=Talk:Gods&diff=1002 2010-06-18T18:20:34Z

<p>Arturo: </p> <hr /> <div>I just made some major edits to the page, I added the Boons for Jehora and Mystera, what happens when you first worship them(and the Pactmaker and Tikki as well). Too much to count now though, I'm playing the game as I go so I'm pretty sure I got it down for those guys. I'm just finishing up on what I DO know for some other empty columns, so I don't have to retire and start over and over again for stuff that I DON'T know about. Also I figured out that you get more piety for Ironshield based not on how much current gold you have(I had 70 max and only got 5 piety), but how much you picked up during that level.<br /> -----------<br /> Pretty sure I've gotten extra mana per level from the Pactmaker. Anyone else notice, or am I seeing things?<br /> <br /> Almost: Yeah, I think something like that happens. The pactmaker may also give bonuses to health and attack when you level up, but I haven't been paying enough attention to notice.<br /> <br /> Also, I think the magic only god does more than what is written, although I can't remember exactly off the top of my head.<br /> <br /> In case anyone was curious, if you worship the Pactmaker at &lt;= 5hp, you die.<br /> <br /> -----------<br /> <br /> Guys, I'm beginning to work on filling out the new piety section. Any help would be greatly appreciated -Lightstriker<br /> Please note for EVERYONE that it will be inaccurate/ incomplete for quite a bit.<br /> <br /> -----------<br /> <br /> If you have explored 100% of the map when you worship the pactmaker, you start with 40 favor. I'm guessing that it scales, since when I had around 50% I got around 20 favor. Other gods seem to use other systems for granting initial favor. JJ seems to use a random number 1-20 maybe? (it makes a reference to the die being set in motion) Mystera is based off MP spent? Or possibly straight spells cast? spent 70 on 10 casts of endiswal and got 16, spent 70 on 70 casts of bysseps got 16, spent 0 on no casts and got 0.<br /> <br /> Ironshield seems to give piety based on gold. Don't call me out on that, but worth checking.<br /> <br /> *Glowing Guardian seems to give piety based on damage received. Dracul looks to be based on damage given? Trog I think is based on kills. (or those two might be reversed). I suspect Tikki Tooki is based either on how many items you've picked up or how many items you've purchased. [[User:Neongrey|Neongrey]] 08:20, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I was just playing a game as a Bloodmage worshipping the Earthmother and I seemed to lose piety for eating a corpse (per the bloodmage ability).<br /> <br /> <br /> *Tiki Tooki: 50% of money spent, rounded down<br /> **Not 50%, I just bought a Magician's Moonstrike for 120 (and nothing else) and he gave me 21 piety<br /> *Pactmaker: 10% of cells explored, rounded down<br /> *Binlor: 4% of cash on hand (could be off on that, since I'm still at 75 max cash)<br /> <br /> <br /> ------<br /> This 10 minute crawler is relatively sure that Binlor gives starting piety based on the amount of gold you've picked up over the course of the current map, and has also figured out that this is not post-active. Binlor, although he gives piety based on collected gold when you begin worshiping him, does not give piety for gold picked up thereafter. He's a lot like the Pactmaker who gives starting piety based on cells explored, in that you're better off exploring 3/4 of the map and planning the entire adventure out beforehand.<br /> <br /> Addendum: Converting a rune to gold with the Goblin's racial trait does not seem to please Binlor in this way. Damn.<br /> <br /> I've also noticed that penalties don't seem to be retroactive in this way. Converting a Glyph under Mysteria will get you in trouble, however converting all but say the Fireball rune on the map and THEN going into her service does not provide you with negative starting piety and is thus actually recommended for an &quot;Elf Wizard&quot; or similar combination.<br /> * Similarly, Trog rewards piety only for glyphs you destroy in his service and none before. So better for him to save them and convert them once you commit. [[User:Neongrey|Neongrey]] 16:32, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> -----------<br /> <br /> I noticed the initial piety boost for pactmaker was edited into the table-- since all gods give piety based on some condition or other, should that all be listed under that column? or should we make a separate column for it? [[User:Neongrey|Neongrey]] 17:41, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I'd love a new column, but the thing's already pretty wide. Are people going to have problems with the width of the thing with all those columns?<br /> <br /> -----------<br /> (10 minute crawler again) You could change the Column title from &quot;Worship&quot; to &quot;On Worship&quot;, and then in that allotted cell could describe not just effects that happen on the moment of worship such as loss of HP or Gold, but also the &quot;starting piety&quot; effect conditions and you would not only not need another column, you'd also help fill in the table and compensate for the giant entries in the &quot;Options&quot; column.<br /> Also:<br /> <br /> Glowing guardian:<br /> # Kill an undead enemy: +1 Piety <br /> # Kill a snake: +1 Piety<br /> # Kill an imp: +1 Piety<br /> # Kill a warlock: +1 Piety <br /> <br /> Just say<br /> # Kill a snake, imp, undead enemy, or warlock: +1 Piety<br /> <br /> Also2:<br /> I'd like to throw this out there more as a strategy pointer than anything else- I'm pretty sure that Jehora's new mass polymorph ability is the strongest trick in the game. If you can build your favor up and unleash this, she will actually polymorph the boss of the dungeon as well. This may not seem big until you realize that- the three times I've done it anyway- Jehora only ever creates Tier 1 bosses from this polymorph, and does not create the tougher than normal special bosses that you see in stages like, say, the new 3-stage campaign. By using her Polymorph, you can take the 970+hp super resistant Dragonspawn boss and turn it into a normal ghost boss which is, relatively speaking, easily dispatched.</div>

Arturo http://www.qcfdesign.com/wiki/DesktopDungeons/index.php?title=Talk:Gods&diff=999 2010-06-18T18:15:46Z

<p>Arturo: </p> <hr /> <div>Pretty sure I've gotten extra mana per level from the Pactmaker. Anyone else notice, or am I seeing things?<br /> <br /> Almost: Yeah, I think something like that happens. The pactmaker may also give bonuses to health and attack when you level up, but I haven't been paying enough attention to notice.<br /> <br /> Also, I think the magic only god does more than what is written, although I can't remember exactly off the top of my head.<br /> <br /> In case anyone was curious, if you worship the Pactmaker at &lt;= 5hp, you die.<br /> <br /> -----------<br /> <br /> Guys, I'm beginning to work on filling out the new piety section. Any help would be greatly appreciated -Lightstriker<br /> Please note for EVERYONE that it will be inaccurate/ incomplete for quite a bit.<br /> <br /> -----------<br /> <br /> If you have explored 100% of the map when you worship the pactmaker, you start with 40 favor. I'm guessing that it scales, since when I had around 50% I got around 20 favor. Other gods seem to use other systems for granting initial favor. JJ seems to use a random number 1-20 maybe? (it makes a reference to the die being set in motion) Mystera is based off MP spent? Or possibly straight spells cast? spent 70 on 10 casts of endiswal and got 16, spent 70 on 70 casts of bysseps got 16, spent 0 on no casts and got 0.<br /> <br /> Ironshield seems to give piety based on gold. Don't call me out on that, but worth checking.<br /> <br /> *Glowing Guardian seems to give piety based on damage received. Dracul looks to be based on damage given? Trog I think is based on kills. (or those two might be reversed). I suspect Tikki Tooki is based either on how many items you've picked up or how many items you've purchased. [[User:Neongrey|Neongrey]] 08:20, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I was just playing a game as a Bloodmage worshipping the Earthmother and I seemed to lose piety for eating a corpse (per the bloodmage ability).<br /> <br /> <br /> *Tiki Tooki: 50% of money spent, rounded down<br /> **Not 50%, I just bought a Magician's Moonstrike for 120 (and nothing else) and he gave me 21 piety<br /> *Pactmaker: 10% of cells explored, rounded down<br /> *Binlor: 4% of cash on hand (could be off on that, since I'm still at 75 max cash)<br /> <br /> <br /> ------<br /> This 10 minute crawler is relatively sure that Binlor gives starting piety based on the amount of gold you've picked up over the course of the current map, and has also figured out that this is not post-active. Binlor, although he gives piety based on collected gold when you begin worshiping him, does not give piety for gold picked up thereafter. He's a lot like the Pactmaker who gives starting piety based on cells explored, in that you're better off exploring 3/4 of the map and planning the entire adventure out beforehand.<br /> <br /> Addendum: Converting a rune to gold with the Goblin's racial trait does not seem to please Binlor in this way. Damn.<br /> <br /> I've also noticed that penalties don't seem to be retroactive in this way. Converting a Glyph under Mysteria will get you in trouble, however converting all but say the Fireball rune on the map and THEN going into her service does not provide you with negative starting piety and is thus actually recommended for an &quot;Elf Wizard&quot; or similar combination.<br /> * Similarly, Trog rewards piety only for glyphs you destroy in his service and none before. So better for him to save them and convert them once you commit. [[User:Neongrey|Neongrey]] 16:32, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> -----------<br /> <br /> I noticed the initial piety boost for pactmaker was edited into the table-- since all gods give piety based on some condition or other, should that all be listed under that column? or should we make a separate column for it? [[User:Neongrey|Neongrey]] 17:41, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I'd love a new column, but the thing's already pretty wide. Are people going to have problems with the width of the thing with all those columns?<br /> <br /> -----------<br /> (10 minute crawler again) You could change the Column title from &quot;Worship&quot; to &quot;On Worship&quot;, and then in that allotted cell could describe not just effects that happen on the moment of worship such as loss of HP or Gold, but also the &quot;starting piety&quot; effect conditions and you would not only not need another column, you'd also help fill in the table and compensate for the giant entries in the &quot;Options&quot; column.<br /> Also:<br /> <br /> Glowing guardian:<br /> # Kill an undead enemy: +1 Piety <br /> # Kill a snake: +1 Piety<br /> # Kill an imp: +1 Piety<br /> # Kill a warlock: +1 Piety <br /> <br /> Just say<br /> # Kill a snake, imp, undead enemy, or warlock: +1 Piety</div>

Arturo http://www.qcfdesign.com/wiki/DesktopDungeons/index.php?title=Talk:Gods&diff=998 2010-06-18T18:14:27Z

<p>Arturo: </p> <hr /> <div>Pretty sure I've gotten extra mana per level from the Pactmaker. Anyone else notice, or am I seeing things?<br /> <br /> Almost: Yeah, I think something like that happens. The pactmaker may also give bonuses to health and attack when you level up, but I haven't been paying enough attention to notice.<br /> <br /> Also, I think the magic only god does more than what is written, although I can't remember exactly off the top of my head.<br /> <br /> In case anyone was curious, if you worship the Pactmaker at &lt;= 5hp, you die.<br /> <br /> -----------<br /> <br /> Guys, I'm beginning to work on filling out the new piety section. Any help would be greatly appreciated -Lightstriker<br /> Please note for EVERYONE that it will be inaccurate/ incomplete for quite a bit.<br /> <br /> -----------<br /> <br /> If you have explored 100% of the map when you worship the pactmaker, you start with 40 favor. I'm guessing that it scales, since when I had around 50% I got around 20 favor. Other gods seem to use other systems for granting initial favor. JJ seems to use a random number 1-20 maybe? (it makes a reference to the die being set in motion) Mystera is based off MP spent? Or possibly straight spells cast? spent 70 on 10 casts of endiswal and got 16, spent 70 on 70 casts of bysseps got 16, spent 0 on no casts and got 0.<br /> <br /> Ironshield seems to give piety based on gold. Don't call me out on that, but worth checking.<br /> <br /> *Glowing Guardian seems to give piety based on damage received. Dracul looks to be based on damage given? Trog I think is based on kills. (or those two might be reversed). I suspect Tikki Tooki is based either on how many items you've picked up or how many items you've purchased. [[User:Neongrey|Neongrey]] 08:20, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I was just playing a game as a Bloodmage worshipping the Earthmother and I seemed to lose piety for eating a corpse (per the bloodmage ability).<br /> <br /> <br /> *Tiki Tooki: 50% of money spent, rounded down<br /> **Not 50%, I just bought a Magician's Moonstrike for 120 (and nothing else) and he gave me 21 piety<br /> *Pactmaker: 10% of cells explored, rounded down<br /> *Binlor: 4% of cash on hand (could be off on that, since I'm still at 75 max cash)<br /> <br /> <br /> ------<br /> This 10 minute crawler is relatively sure that Binlor gives starting piety based on the amount of gold you've picked up over the course of the current map, and has also figured out that this is not post-active. Binlor, although he gives piety based on collected gold when you begin worshiping him, does not give piety for gold picked up thereafter. He's a lot like the Pactmaker who gives starting piety based on cells explored, in that you're better off exploring 3/4 of the map and planning the entire adventure out beforehand.<br /> <br /> Addendum: Converting a rune to gold with the Goblin's racial trait does not seem to please Binlor in this way. Damn.<br /> <br /> I've also noticed that penalties don't seem to be retroactive in this way. Converting a Glyph under Mysteria will get you in trouble, however converting all but say the Fireball rune on the map and THEN going into her service does not provide you with negative starting piety and is thus actually recommended for an &quot;Elf Wizard&quot; or similar combination.<br /> * Similarly, Trog rewards piety only for glyphs you destroy in his service and none before. So better for him to save them and convert them once you commit. [[User:Neongrey|Neongrey]] 16:32, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> -----------<br /> <br /> I noticed the initial piety boost for pactmaker was edited into the table-- since all gods give piety based on some condition or other, should that all be listed under that column? or should we make a separate column for it? [[User:Neongrey|Neongrey]] 17:41, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I'd love a new column, but the thing's already pretty wide. Are people going to have problems with the width of the thing with all those columns?<br /> <br /> -----------<br /> (10 minute crawler again) You could change the Column title from &quot;Worship&quot; to &quot;On Worship&quot;, and then in that allotted cell could describe not just effects that happen on the moment of worship such as loss of HP or Gold, but also the &quot;starting piety&quot; effect conditions and you would not only not need another column, you'd also help fill in the table and compensate for the giant entries in the &quot;Options&quot; column.<br /> Also:<br /> <br /> Glowing guardian:<br /> # Kill a snake: +1 Piety<br /> # Kill an imp: +1 Piety<br /> # Kill a warlock: +1 Piety <br /> <br /> Just say<br /> # Kill a snake, imp, or warlock: +1 Piety</div>

Arturo http://www.qcfdesign.com/wiki/DesktopDungeons/index.php?title=Talk:Gods&diff=997 2010-06-18T18:14:06Z

<p>Arturo: </p> <hr /> <div>Pretty sure I've gotten extra mana per level from the Pactmaker. Anyone else notice, or am I seeing things?<br /> <br /> Almost: Yeah, I think something like that happens. The pactmaker may also give bonuses to health and attack when you level up, but I haven't been paying enough attention to notice.<br /> <br /> Also, I think the magic only god does more than what is written, although I can't remember exactly off the top of my head.<br /> <br /> In case anyone was curious, if you worship the Pactmaker at &lt;= 5hp, you die.<br /> <br /> -----------<br /> <br /> Guys, I'm beginning to work on filling out the new piety section. Any help would be greatly appreciated -Lightstriker<br /> Please note for EVERYONE that it will be inaccurate/ incomplete for quite a bit.<br /> <br /> -----------<br /> <br /> If you have explored 100% of the map when you worship the pactmaker, you start with 40 favor. I'm guessing that it scales, since when I had around 50% I got around 20 favor. Other gods seem to use other systems for granting initial favor. JJ seems to use a random number 1-20 maybe? (it makes a reference to the die being set in motion) Mystera is based off MP spent? Or possibly straight spells cast? spent 70 on 10 casts of endiswal and got 16, spent 70 on 70 casts of bysseps got 16, spent 0 on no casts and got 0.<br /> <br /> Ironshield seems to give piety based on gold. Don't call me out on that, but worth checking.<br /> <br /> *Glowing Guardian seems to give piety based on damage received. Dracul looks to be based on damage given? Trog I think is based on kills. (or those two might be reversed). I suspect Tikki Tooki is based either on how many items you've picked up or how many items you've purchased. [[User:Neongrey|Neongrey]] 08:20, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I was just playing a game as a Bloodmage worshipping the Earthmother and I seemed to lose piety for eating a corpse (per the bloodmage ability).<br /> <br /> <br /> *Tiki Tooki: 50% of money spent, rounded down<br /> **Not 50%, I just bought a Magician's Moonstrike for 120 (and nothing else) and he gave me 21 piety<br /> *Pactmaker: 10% of cells explored, rounded down<br /> *Binlor: 4% of cash on hand (could be off on that, since I'm still at 75 max cash)<br /> <br /> <br /> ------<br /> This 10 minute crawler is relatively sure that Binlor gives starting piety based on the amount of gold you've picked up over the course of the current map, and has also figured out that this is not post-active. Binlor, although he gives piety based on collected gold when you begin worshiping him, does not give piety for gold picked up thereafter. He's a lot like the Pactmaker who gives starting piety based on cells explored, in that you're better off exploring 3/4 of the map and planning the entire adventure out beforehand.<br /> <br /> Addendum: Converting a rune to gold with the Goblin's racial trait does not seem to please Binlor in this way. Damn.<br /> <br /> I've also noticed that penalties don't seem to be retroactive in this way. Converting a Glyph under Mysteria will get you in trouble, however converting all but say the Fireball rune on the map and THEN going into her service does not provide you with negative starting piety and is thus actually recommended for an &quot;Elf Wizard&quot; or similar combination.<br /> * Similarly, Trog rewards piety only for glyphs you destroy in his service and none before. So better for him to save them and convert them once you commit. [[User:Neongrey|Neongrey]] 16:32, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> -----------<br /> <br /> I noticed the initial piety boost for pactmaker was edited into the table-- since all gods give piety based on some condition or other, should that all be listed under that column? or should we make a separate column for it? [[User:Neongrey|Neongrey]] 17:41, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I'd love a new column, but the thing's already pretty wide. Are people going to have problems with the width of the thing with all those columns?<br /> <br /> -(10 minute crawler again) You could change the Column title from &quot;Worship&quot; to &quot;On Worship&quot;, and then in that allotted cell could describe not just effects that happen on the moment of worship such as loss of HP or Gold, but also the &quot;starting piety&quot; effect conditions and you would not only not need another column, you'd also help fill in the table and compensate for the giant entries in the &quot;Options&quot; column.<br /> Also:<br /> <br /> Glowing guardian:<br /> # Kill a snake: +1 Piety<br /> # Kill an imp: +1 Piety<br /> # Kill a warlock: +1 Piety <br /> <br /> Just say<br /> # Kill a snake, imp, or warlock: +1 Piety</div>

Arturo http://www.qcfdesign.com/wiki/DesktopDungeons/index.php?title=Talk:Gods&diff=979 2010-06-18T14:56:00Z

<p>Arturo: </p> <hr /> <div>Pretty sure I've gotten extra mana per level from the Pactmaker. Anyone else notice, or am I seeing things?<br /> <br /> Almost: Yeah, I think something like that happens. The pactmaker may also give bonuses to health and attack when you level up, but I haven't been paying enough attention to notice.<br /> <br /> Also, I think the magic only god does more than what is written, although I can't remember exactly off the top of my head.<br /> <br /> In case anyone was curious, if you worship the Pactmaker at &lt;= 5hp, you die.<br /> <br /> -----------<br /> <br /> Guys, I'm beginning to work on filling out the new piety section. Any help would be greatly appreciated -Lightstriker<br /> Please note for EVERYONE that it will be inaccurate/ incomplete for quite a bit.<br /> <br /> -----------<br /> <br /> If you have explored 100% of the map when you worship the pactmaker, you start with 40 favor. I'm guessing that it scales, since when I had around 50% I got around 20 favor. Other gods seem to use other systems for granting initial favor. JJ seems to use a random number 1-20 maybe? (it makes a reference to the die being set in motion) Mystera is based off MP spent? Or possibly straight spells cast? spent 70 on 10 casts of endiswal and got 16, spent 70 on 70 casts of bysseps got 16, spent 0 on no casts and got 0.<br /> <br /> Ironshield seems to give piety based on gold. Don't call me out on that, but worth checking.<br /> <br /> *Glowing Guardian seems to give piety based on damage received. Dracul looks to be based on damage given? Trog I think is based on kills. (or those two might be reversed). I suspect Tikki Tooki is based either on how many items you've picked up or how many items you've purchased. [[User:Neongrey|Neongrey]] 08:20, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I was just playing a game as a Bloodmage worshipping the Earthmother and I seemed to lose piety for eating a corpse (per the bloodmage ability).<br /> <br /> <br /> *Tiki Tooki: 50% of money spent, rounded down<br /> *Pactmaker: 10% of cells explored, rounded down<br /> *Binlor: 4% of cash on hand (could be off on that, since I'm still at 75 max cash)<br /> <br /> <br /> ------<br /> This 10 minute crawler is relatively sure that Binlor gives starting piety based on the amount of gold you've picked up over the course of the current map, and has also figured out that this is not post-active. Binlor, although he gives piety based on collected gold when you begin worshiping him, does not give piety for gold picked up thereafter. He's a lot like the Pactmaker who gives starting piety based on cells explored, in that you're better off exploring 3/4 of the map and planning the entire adventure out beforehand.<br /> <br /> Addendum: Converting a rune to gold with the Goblin's racial trait does not seem to please Binlor in this way. Damn.<br /> <br /> I've also noticed that penalties don't seem to be retroactive in this way. Converting a Glyph under Mysteria will get you in trouble, however converting all but say the Fireball rune on the map and THEN going into her service does not provide you with negative starting piety and is thus actually recommended for an &quot;Elf Wizard&quot; or similar combination.</div>

Arturo http://www.qcfdesign.com/wiki/DesktopDungeons/index.php?title=Talk:Gods&diff=978 2010-06-18T14:50:07Z

<p>Arturo: </p> <hr /> <div>Pretty sure I've gotten extra mana per level from the Pactmaker. Anyone else notice, or am I seeing things?<br /> <br /> Almost: Yeah, I think something like that happens. The pactmaker may also give bonuses to health and attack when you level up, but I haven't been paying enough attention to notice.<br /> <br /> Also, I think the magic only god does more than what is written, although I can't remember exactly off the top of my head.<br /> <br /> In case anyone was curious, if you worship the Pactmaker at &lt;= 5hp, you die.<br /> <br /> -----------<br /> <br /> Guys, I'm beginning to work on filling out the new piety section. Any help would be greatly appreciated -Lightstriker<br /> Please note for EVERYONE that it will be inaccurate/ incomplete for quite a bit.<br /> <br /> -----------<br /> <br /> If you have explored 100% of the map when you worship the pactmaker, you start with 40 favor. I'm guessing that it scales, since when I had around 50% I got around 20 favor. Other gods seem to use other systems for granting initial favor. JJ seems to use a random number 1-20 maybe? (it makes a reference to the die being set in motion) Mystera is based off MP spent? Or possibly straight spells cast? spent 70 on 10 casts of endiswal and got 16, spent 70 on 70 casts of bysseps got 16, spent 0 on no casts and got 0.<br /> <br /> Ironshield seems to give piety based on gold. Don't call me out on that, but worth checking.<br /> <br /> *Glowing Guardian seems to give piety based on damage received. Dracul looks to be based on damage given? Trog I think is based on kills. (or those two might be reversed). I suspect Tikki Tooki is based either on how many items you've picked up or how many items you've purchased. [[User:Neongrey|Neongrey]] 08:20, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I was just playing a game as a Bloodmage worshipping the Earthmother and I seemed to lose piety for eating a corpse (per the bloodmage ability).<br /> <br /> <br /> *Tiki Tooki: 50% of money spent, rounded down<br /> *Pactmaker: 10% of cells explored, rounded down<br /> *Binlor: 4% of cash on hand (could be off on that, since I'm still at 75 max cash)<br /> <br /> <br /> ------<br /> This 10 minute crawler is relatively sure that Binlor gives starting piety based on the amount of gold you've picked up over the course of the current map, and has also figured out that this is not post-active. Binlor, although he gives piety based on collected gold when you begin worshiping him, does not give piety for gold picked up thereafter. He's a lot like the Pactmaker who gives starting piety based on cells explored, in that you're better off exploring 3/4 of the map and planning the entire adventure out beforehand.<br /> <br /> I've also noticed that penalties don't seem to be retroactive in this way. Converting a Glyph under Mysteria will get you in trouble, however converting all but say the Fireball rune on the map and THEN going into her service does not provide you with negative starting piety and is thus actually recommended for an &quot;Elf Wizard&quot; or similar combination.</div>

Arturo