Talk:Strategy - Revision history

Lujo at 23:53, 17 May 2016

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MTaur at 05:08, 23 May 2015

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MTaur at 20:40, 19 May 2015

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 I also feel that the whole page could be reorganised, to get to different level of strategies (general strategies, that any character can use, to more specific one based on some combos)
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 Pisorf spiking might be a good option with a lot of setups, but cranking the preps specifically to min-max in favor of boss billiards seems like a legitimate special case to me. (Though admittedly, the "min-max" that goes into PISORF spam is a mix of stats that also favors generalists to a large extent, so lolol) - [[User:MTaur|MTaur]]
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 Fair points about Gnome Sorcerer.  I guess now that I think of it, DD is fairly flexible in that most classes have a lot of strategy overlap, and not a whole lot is truly unique to just one particular combination. - [[User:MTaur|MTaur]]

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	It just makes it look like you have to be an Orc Wizard with Crystal Ball to even use the glyph and that it's something extraordinary. Imagine if something made it look like fireballing stuff was only viable with Gnome Sorcerers?		It just makes it look like you have to be an Orc Wizard with Crystal Ball to even use the glyph and that it's something extraordinary. Imagine if something made it look like fireballing stuff was only viable with Gnome Sorcerers?
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		+	Fair points about Gnome Sorcerer. I guess now that I think of it, DD is fairly flexible in that most classes have a lot of strategy overlap, and not a whole lot is truly unique to just one particular combination. - [[User:MTaur\|MTaur]]

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 I mean, "optimizing" pissorff boils down to being an Orc Wizard if you're even picking a race and class, prepping extra mana on a caster (zomg!) and prepping Crystal Ball on a caster who casts a cheap spell over and over (why would anyone want CB there, I wonder). Probably also prepping extra money on a guy who means to use Crystal Ball. Oh, and using the only prep that guarantees Pissorf, on a caster you mean to cast pisorff with. So basically just being an Orc Wizard and deciding you'll use Pisorff. Except it also plays almost exactly the same way even if you're not an Orc. Or a wizard. Or without Crystal Ball.
-"You can use Pissorff to beat a dungeon if you prep it and not-all-that-much-obvious- spellcasting-junk" isn't a "power strat" or something "odd". It looks strange that it's even written down. Imagine if the entry next to it was "Fireball Caster" explaining how if you prep Burnadayraz with a Gnome Sorcerer you can beat a dungeon using Fireballs XD It'd be stranger if you couldn't.
+"You can use Pissorff to beat a dungeon if you prep it and not-all-that-much- spellcasting-junk" isn't a "power strat" or something "odd". It looks strange that it's even written down. Imagine if the entry next to it was "Fireball Caster" explaining how if you prep Burnadayraz with a Gnome Sorcerer you can beat a dungeon using Fireballs XD It'd be stranger if you couldn't.
 It just makes it look like you have to be an Orc Wizard with Crystal Ball to even use the glyph and that it's something extraordinary. Imagine if something made it look like fireballing stuff was only viable with Gnome Sorcerers?

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 "A character using Pissorf is best off spamming Pissorff while hitting two targets untill the both die. It is doable with any character, and Wizards are the strongest class for it, while Orcs are the strongest race as they can just convert anything for damage. In order to prep Pissorf, prep Binlor Ironshield who gives it on worship. Great Preps are also Crystal Ball and Extra Mana. Classess which can easily reach 16 mana are particularly good at it, but with the Extra Mana Prep any character needs just 1 mana point to reach it. Position the bossess and possibly a few monsters next to each other, convert for whatever you convert for, and cast Pisorff untill everything you want killed dies. Refill your mana with midfight level-ups and the Crystal Ball when necessary."
-I mean, "optimizing" pissorff boils down to being an Orc Wizard if you're even picking a race and class, prepping extra mana on a caster (zomg!) and prepping Crystal Ball on a caster who casts a cheap spell over and over (why would anyone want CB there, I wonder). Probably also prepping extra money on a guy who means to use Crystal Ball. Oh, and using the only prep that guarantees Pissorf, on a caster you mean to cast pisorff with. So basically just being an Orc Wizard and deciding you'll use Pisorff.
+I mean, "optimizing" pissorff boils down to being an Orc Wizard if you're even picking a race and class, prepping extra mana on a caster (zomg!) and prepping Crystal Ball on a caster who casts a cheap spell over and over (why would anyone want CB there, I wonder). Probably also prepping extra money on a guy who means to use Crystal Ball. Oh, and using the only prep that guarantees Pissorf, on a caster you mean to cast pisorff with. So basically just being an Orc Wizard and deciding you'll use Pisorff. Except it also plays almost exactly the same way even if you're not an Orc. Or a wizard. Or without Crystal Ball.
 "You can use Pissorff to beat a dungeon if you prep it and not-all-that-much-obvious- spellcasting-junk" isn't a "power strat" or something "odd". It looks strange that it's even written down. Imagine if the entry next to it was "Fireball Caster" explaining how if you prep Burnadayraz with a Gnome Sorcerer you can beat a dungeon using Fireballs XD It'd be stranger if you couldn't.
 It just makes it look like you have to be an Orc Wizard with Crystal Ball to even use the glyph and that it's something extraordinary. Imagine if something made it look like fireballing stuff was only viable with Gnome Sorcerers?

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 I mean, "optimizing" pissorff boils down to being an Orc Wizard if you're even picking a race and class, prepping extra mana on a caster (zomg!) and prepping Crystal Ball on a caster who casts a cheap spell over and over (why would anyone want CB there, I wonder). Probably also prepping extra money on a guy who means to use Crystal Ball. Oh, and using the only prep that guarantees Pissorf, on a caster you mean to cast pisorff with. So basically just being an Orc Wizard and deciding you'll use Pisorff.
-"You can use Pissorff to beat a dungeon if you prep it and not-all-that-much-obvious- spellcasting-junk" isn't a "power strat" or something "odd". It looks strange that it's ever written down. Imagine if the entry next to it was "Fireball Caster" explaining how if you prep Burnadayraz with a Gnome Sorcerer you can beat a dungeon using Fireballs XD It'd be stranger if you couldn't.
+"You can use Pissorff to beat a dungeon if you prep it and not-all-that-much-obvious- spellcasting-junk" isn't a "power strat" or something "odd". It looks strange that it's even written down. Imagine if the entry next to it was "Fireball Caster" explaining how if you prep Burnadayraz with a Gnome Sorcerer you can beat a dungeon using Fireballs XD It'd be stranger if you couldn't.
 It just makes it look like you have to be an Orc Wizard with Crystal Ball to even use the glyph and that it's something extraordinary. Imagine if something made it look like fireballing stuff was only viable with Gnome Sorcerers?

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 "Punchomancer" is just tacking a fancy word onto just prepping very general spellcasting gear an using binlor as Magnet:Pissorff. Otherwise it's just a build for Pissorf - it's exactly what I was going to write on the Pissorf page, just look at it XD
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 compare with what summs up general pissorf use:
-"A character using Pissorf is best off spamming Pissorff while hitting two targets untill the both die. It is doable with any character, and Wizards are the strongest class for it, while Orcs are the strongest race as they can just convert anything for damage. In order to prep Pissorf, prep Binlor Ironshield who gives it on worship. Great Preps are also Crystal Ball and Extra Mana. Classess witch can easily reach 16 mana are particularly good at it. Position the bossess and possibly a few monsters next to each other, convert for whatever you convert for, and cast pissorff untill everything you want killed dies. Refill your mana with midfight level-ups and the Crystal Ball when necessary."
+"A character using Pissorf is best off spamming Pissorff while hitting two targets untill the both die. It is doable with any character, and Wizards are the strongest class for it, while Orcs are the strongest race as they can just convert anything for damage. In order to prep Pissorf, prep Binlor Ironshield who gives it on worship. Great Preps are also Crystal Ball and Extra Mana. Classess which can easily reach 16 mana are particularly good at it, but with the Extra Mana Prep any character needs just 1 mana point to reach it. Position the bossess and possibly a few monsters next to each other, convert for whatever you convert for, and cast Pisorff untill everything you want killed dies. Refill your mana with midfight level-ups and the Crystal Ball when necessary."
 I mean, "optimizing" pissorff boils down to being an Orc Wizard if you're even picking a race and class, prepping extra mana on a caster (zomg!) and prepping Crystal Ball on a caster who casts a cheap spell. Probably also prepping extra money on a guy who means to use Crystal Ball. Oh, and using the only prep that guarantees Pissorf, on a caster you mean to cast pissorff with. So basically just being an Orc Wizard.
 "You can use Pissorff to beat a dungeon if you prep it and not all that much obvious spellcasting junk" isn't a "power strat" or something "odd". It looks strange that it's ever written down XD Imagine if the entry next to it was "Fireball Caster" explaining how if you prep Burnadayraz with a Gnome Sorcerer you can beat a dungeon using Fireballs XD

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	Pisorf spiking might be a good option with a lot of setups, but cranking the preps specifically to min-max in favor of boss billiards seems like a legitimate special case to me. (Though admittedly, the "min-max" that goes into PISORF spam is a mix of stats that also favors generalists to a large extent, so lolol) - [[User:MTaur\|MTaur]]		Pisorf spiking might be a good option with a lot of setups, but cranking the preps specifically to min-max in favor of boss billiards seems like a legitimate special case to me. (Though admittedly, the "min-max" that goes into PISORF spam is a mix of stats that also favors generalists to a large extent, so lolol) - [[User:MTaur\|MTaur]]
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		+	"Punchomancer" is just tacking a fancy word onto just prepping very general spellcasting gear an using binlor as Magnet:Pissorff. Otherwise it's just a build for Pissorf - it's exactly what I was going to write on the Pissorf page, just look at it XD
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		+	"The Punchomancer is any character that spams PISORF.png PISORF until both bosses die, but is pulled off the best with an Orc Wizard.png Orc Wizard. Prep Binlor Ironshield Icon.png Binlor Ironshield, Crystal Ball.png Crystal Ball, Extra Mana, Black Market, Sword, and anything else that looks appealing. Worship Binlor to get PISORF, level up a bit to get some damage, convert everything you see for even more damage, then position the bosses next to each other and cast PISORF until they both die. Refill your mana bar with midfight level-ups, potions, and the Crystal Ball as necessary."
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		+	compare with what summs up general pissorf use:
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		+	"A character using Pissorf is best off spamming Pissorff while hitting two targets untill the both die. It is doable with any character, and Wizards are the strongest class for it, while Orcs are the strongest race as they can just convert anything for damage. In order to prep Pissorf, prep Binlor Ironshield who gives it on worship. Great Preps are also Crystal Ball and Extra Mana. Classess witch can easily reach 16 mana are particularly good at it. Position the bossess and possibly a few monsters next to each other, convert for whatever you convert for, and cast pissorff untill everything you want killed dies. Refill your mana with midfight level-ups and the Crystal Ball when necessary."
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		+	I mean, "optimizing" pissorff boils down to being an Orc Wizard if you're even picking a race and class, prepping extra mana on a caster (zomg!) and prepping Crystal Ball on a caster who casts a cheap spell. Probably also prepping extra money on a guy who means to use Crystal Ball. Oh, and using the only prep that guarantees Pissorf, on a caster you mean to cast pissorff with. So basically just being an Orc Wizard.
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		+	"You can use Pissorff to beat a dungeon if you prep it and not all that much obvious spellcasting junk" isn't a "power strat" or something "odd". It looks strange that it's ever written down XD Imagine if the entry next to it was "Fireball Caster" explaining how if you prep Burnadayraz with a Gnome Sorcerer you can beat a dungeon using Fireballs XD

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	Looks better than it used to, otherwise, but there's problems still.		Looks better than it used to, otherwise, but there's problems still.
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		+	Punchomancer is definitely a strat. If you're prepping Binlor and a Crystal Ball and playing Orc while you're at it, you're devoting a lot more to PISORF than you would if you were someone who was going with some other build when the glyph just happened to drop (yes, you could do Elf or Gnome, and the class could be Wizard or Sorcerer for direct class synergy). Sometimes it's a lot easier to regen-fight a single monster than it is to PISORF-spike two at once, so stacking the deck for PISORF with preps, races, and classes deserves a mention. Maybe even Rat Monarch billiards deserves a mention - I survived the Rat Monarch Shifting Passages DERP by corroding cue balls instead of Bleaty himself...
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		+	Pisorf spiking might be a good option with a lot of setups, but cranking the preps specifically to min-max in favor of boss billiards seems like a legitimate special case to me. (Though admittedly, the "min-max" that goes into PISORF spam is a mix of stats that also favors generalists to a large extent, so lolol) - [[User:MTaur\|MTaur]]