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Game Bugs

• I just finished a game in which I was able to cast LEMMISI without it costing any mana. I'm not sure if this is a bug or an effect from a god (I'm a noob), but I thought I should mention it anyway.

Ah, that's exactly how it's supposed to work. That's why you get a "Surprisingly Handy" award if you use it at least once...It might be better that you figure it out yourself. :)

• Minor bugs with message displays and altars - 1) If you move on to an altar which also uncovers a boss at the same time, you'll only get the boss's speech and no altar message. 2) If you attack a monster on an altar (summoned by WONAFYT), you'll get the altar message and conversion opportunity without actually stepping on the altar (like the other altar bug below, this only happens if you haven't been to that altar most recently). The first issue arises with shops as well, but not the second. --Twinge

Just for the record: the attack-on-an-altar also occurs if the monster is there because of the knockback ability, not just from WONAFYT. And it looks like the same thing may happen for monsters on shops? --Tahnan

• The Scouting Orb's description says it increases sight radius, but it does nothing if your sight radius is already above the normal (half-dragon). The description should probably say e.g. 'increases sight radius to 2 spaces' or something along those lines. --Twinge

• Another bug: I fell into negative XP. I believe the bug is associated with the CYDSTEPP (survive next killing blow) rune, and possibly how it interacts with the Paladin's HP for killing undead ability. I'd just killed a level 5 wraith which was supposed to do enough damage to kill me (and removing my death protection), but instead my protection remained, my HP stayed the same (I think), and I went into negative XP. Later just messing around, I died and lost the protection, recast it with some mana potions, and died again and my XP finally fixed itself, jumping to level 6. Screenshot: http://it-is-law.com/dump/DD-NegXPBug.png --Twinge

I had the same thing happen, except with the Glowing Guardian Deity not the CYDSTEPP glyph. I think it has a problem trying to process all the events that occurred (the death of the monster, your not dying, gain of life, gain of attack, gain of exp, and/or anything else). So this may be possible with any character/race.

same- paladin orc with CYDSTEPP in the crypt. I think I got down to -28 xp before a save-vs-death finally realigned the numbers.--Sxerks 18:14, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

• Bug- by clicking on covered(black) areas you can find and get the deity dialog and worship without ever uncovering the block.--Sxerks 18:14, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Specifically, this seems to happen after you just went to another altar. In this example: http://it-is-law.com/dump/DD-AltarBug.png if I go to the bottom right altar, I can then click on and activate the top left altar without traveling there. This does not seem to be the case for shops. This is likely related to the other altar bug I posted above. --Twinge

• Bug? - Sorry if this is not the right place to report but can't see a better one. Getting error message "Unexpected error occured when running the game" immediately on launch, when trying to play on Netbook. Suppose it might be something to do with supported resolution (on this netbook, resolution is 1024x600). Or something else perhaps? --serioustiger 19:26, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

It runs fine on my netbook that runs at the same resolution, so it shouldn't be that. --Charcoal 00:41, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

• Bug - I was standing on the HALPME glyph and accidently pressed WEYTWAT (teleport glyph). I got teleported but HELPME stayed in the "on the ground" slot. So i, being cheater am i, just happily added to my slots. ;)

It does seem to at least delete the glyph from the original spot, though. Alas, I was hoping it might be cloning it... but it's not. Neongrey 02:05, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Other Game Issues (Balance, Interface, etc.)

• About Health and Attack powerups (the kind scattered about the dungeon): Can we get some explanation on these things? After noticing that the attack power up does nothing for a level 1 character, I've been holding off on getting them. Likewise, the health power ups give more health at higher levels. What I want to know is, should I hold off on getting them or do they scale to level even after you've gotten them? --golden_cow2

The attack power ups give you a 10% percentage bonus over your base damage per power up, so this extra damage will raise as your base damage does. So get them as soon as your strategy allows you. --Lanis

Likewise the health bonus also scales with your level (1 MAX HP per level, the same as Dwarf glyph conversion). No need to hold off. --fall_ark

The Health Bonus should probably be shown when you hover over your health as it does for damage, then, to at least partially clear up the issue. --Twinge

• I've found it really evil that the Escape key closes the entire game instantly. I've already lost at least 2 characters from tapping escape trying to cancel a spell :/ (I'm aware right click cancels, but habits from other games don't die so easily...) --Twinge

Agreed. I lost 5 or so promising characters because of that. Changing the 'instant close' key to something like F12 and having the ESC key one ask if you want to exit would work better and without functionality loss. --Lanis

Agreed again. I just started playing and hit escape thinking it would be used for options or something and poof. Ugh.

More keyboard-friendly controls will certainly make the game better! e.g. Arrow keys for moving, 5/6 for potions, SPACE/ENTER/ESC for shop and altar conversations. So on. --fall_ark

Absolutely, I just listed the most pressing issue first =) Even if the mouse is still required in the end (though it probably doesn't need to be), numpad movement would be a definitely improvement. I'm thinking Y/N for shops and altars to make it clear what your selection is - though space could also default to a 'no' response. --Twinge

Wait. Instead of remapping the Escape key, just make it pop up a screen that asks if you really want to quit the game. Alternatively, make it so that holding down Escape for two seconds closes the whole application. --HydroKirby

I also like a full keyboard control, azeqdwxc for moving, keybinded potions, yay and nay etc. The only point of using the mouse would be, in some cases, to prevent the discovering of some tiles, but if you really want to it's still possible to put something like selecting a tile with arrow keys and enter to go there. Rex4 20:33, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

• The current gold system is essentially a pointless grinding mechanic - after each game, load up Goblin Wizard or whatever, go grab some quick cash, then start playing again. I don't currently have a great idea to replace it with, but the implementation as-is adds unfun grinding time without adding any actual thought or decision to the process. --Twinge

Removing the shared gold between runs and making gold coins give you more gold depending on your race/class/max gold should be enough. Basically, a gold-hunting race/class combo should allow you to be able to buy one or two good items more than other classes under the same circumstances. Now not only this removes the gold grinding, but it'll allow people to use goblins for serious ranked games, for example. --Lanis

Concurred. I would suggest adding a "Minimum Gold" bonus (or simply replace the Max Gold bonus). There should still be a little room for gold hoarding for new players though, like Max Gold = Minimum Gold + 50 or something. --fall_ark

• The chances of getting a completely unwinnable game are too high. If it happens occasionally that's fine, but right now it's fairly common and at least some check to help avoid these situations would be desirable. Example games:

http://it-is-law.com/dump/Unbeatable1.png

http://it-is-law.com/dump/Unbeatable2.png

http://it-is-law.com/dump/Unbeatable3.png

My proposal: map out the monsters and runes in area that can be reached by a new character during level generation; mapping should 'go through' level 1 and 2 monsters but treat higher level monsters as walls, so to speak. There must be one of: a) Any of the Passwall, Teleport Monster, or Teleport Self glyphs are reachable; b) At least five level 1 monsters available to fight; c) At least two level 1 monsters and one level 2 monster; or d) The Summon Monster glyph is reachable and at least five total level 1 monsters are on the board (if this is guaranteed already, simply make it a straight glyph check as with [a].)

The idea isn't to make it easier - just to remove impossible scenarios. You might still have to, say, use your starting health potion to take out a level 2 or whatever which is fine. This won't remove all unwinnable situations, but should remove a significant percentage of them without making anything easier the rest of the time. --Twinge

• Worshiping Pactmaker as an unimproved Rogue results in instant death. Is this intended? --Azeltir

Pactmaker takes 5 Base Damage and 5 Max Health so an unimproved Rogue will indeed die instantly due to Health drop to zero. Most characters "unimproved" would be screwed though, since your base damage is now likely zero. --fall_ark

• Nidhogg is supposed to be a dragon; the World Serpent is actually actually Jormungand. There's some Norse mythology for ya!

• I bought the rebirth-item (Restore health to full) on a level 9 Human Crusader while having death protection up, and got healed no health at all. Afterwards I attacked the boss and died where 300% of my attack damage would've been enough to kill it, but I did not get the last-blow Crusaders are supposed to. --Amadi

Game Feedback

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Priest Massacre

• I found the Rogue class to be a bit underbalanced. Most bosses have an attack high enough to kill him in one hit, so, in order to kill them, I must spamm sidestep or fireball and that destroys the feeling of playing as a rogue. --NickDX 20:07, 30 March 2010

Actually, Rogue is one of the most powerful classes at present and is overpowered rather than underpowered - surpassed only by Vampire and possibly Monk (which people have also thought too weak for some reason). Try perhaps getting your HP high enough to survive one strike (e.g. Dwarf) or getting your attack high enough to slay the boss in a single stroke. --Twinge

• Is it possible to actually beat the factory with the wizard class? Not using BURNDAYRAZ with Mystera... The meat man is mostly unkillable. A 50 damage wizard would have to hit him 20 times! And we have the golem boss too...
  • It's easier than you think. Remember that you know where all the Glyphs are and can thus check what has spawned for you in any given game easily, so you can restart quickly if you don't get what you want. Even failing that, don't treat the Wizard as if magic is his only method of dealing damage. Wizard's melee damage is quite respectable after the 3 Attack Powerups, especially if you play a human. And if you find BURNDAYRAZ fast, then you're ready to use Animated Armors to level up very quickly. Don't use Mystera, in any case: having lots of mana only matters when you use a Mana Potion or gain a level; your regen per tile is unchanged, and losing out on your physical damage in a dungeon with the Iron Man is a very bad idea.--94.3.189.97 23:16, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
    • I can't seem to find the condition in which you could win this challenge... Even as a human wizard, using halpme and iphalseek I could only kill Tony Stark, at the cost of all my mana AND health potions, leaving ALL the maze explored and the Meat Man still unscathed...
      • At L7 (which is reachable from about 3-5 kills if you use Animated Armor carefully), you'll likely have around 40 Attack, 84 Health and 12-13 Mana. HALPMEH will heal 21 HP for 2 Mana at that point, whilst BURNDAYRAZ will deal 28 damage for 5 Mana. If you only use melee and healing, Iron Man will be dead after exploring about 30-40 tiles (which is about 8-10 squares of an unexplored corridor). You'd also need less tiles to do it at L8, but that would require a few more kills which you may or may not have access to. SMM is better left until you're L8 or 9, since you'll need something along the lines of 60 tiles to kill him. LEMMISI can be useful to get the necessary regen, and none of this is taking into account helpful items from shops (like Fine Sword or Tower Shield), use of Potions, or other Glyphs like BYSSEPS (very effective extra damage for minimal mana cost). In short, the strategy is simply to level up fast and start your run as early as possible, and knowing where the Glyphs are is very helpful in pulling that off. --94.3.189.97 04:10, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
        • So it's actually easy... ...if you have Halmpmeh, burnandrayz, lemmisi and 3 high leveled animated armors sitting right next to you. That's does not sound like a specific situation at all...
          • Again, knowing where the Glyphs are allows you to check them quickly. And HALPMEH and LEMMISI are merely helpful, not *required*. BURNDAYRAZ is guaranteed to be somewhere on the map, and finding high levelled Animated Armors isn't difficult. The only real gamebreaker of a glyph to be looking for is APHEELSIK, and that appears in at almost half the games you play by the time the Factory is unlocked. The point isn't that *every* Factory run is going to be easy for the Wizard -- it's that it's easy for the Wizard to search for favourable conditions.
          • Just to prove my point, I started another Factory game with a Human Wizard. I succeeded on that same game. I had a bit of luck in that BURNDAYRAZ spawned near me, as did a L8 Animated Armor. I did not find APHEELSIK during this game, but I did get HALPMEH. The only things I bought from the shops were a Spoon and Fine Sword, and I found an altar to Jehora after a bit of exploration as well. I also found LEMMISI, but I completed the game without using it. I ended up killing SMM at L7 and Iron Man at L8. I finished off both bosses whilst only exploring just over 75% of the map, never using LEMMISI, and never drinking a Health or Mana Potion. Sure, I got a relatively advantageous start, but I didn't get APHEELSIK (which meant SMM was a battle of attrition). Jehora helped, of course, but it was merely one of many things I could've found to lead me to success, especially given what I ended up *not* having to use. So yeah, you don't need a perfect game to beat the Factory with the Wizard.
            • I also just beat factory with Gnome Wizard. No APHEELSIK, but HALPMEH + BYSSEPS went the distance on both bosses after using Pactmaker + L8 Animated armor as my first kill. I was swinging for 72 a pop, and finished with 52 hp, 14 MP, a mana pot, and a Zombie Dog still active on me.
• Also, Vampire is absurdly overpowered. You don't even need luck, I just had a game where I had to waste all my health potions at level 1, but after I got the fireball, 100 health points converted to 28 damage each fireball could destroy both bosses in the library without the need for any item, god or skill.

• I don't get "The Pactmaker", it takes 5 max HP and DMG, but only grants +1 max HP and DMG per level, this way, if you get it on lvl 2 (worshiping the pactmaker at level 1 is mostly impractical), you'll only have the real benefits at level 8.

Since most boss fights are at level 7-8, you'll get only +1 damage and +1 max hp. Sure, the exp boost is nice, but even if the exp boost were absurdly high, and you could get to level 10, you would only get +3 damage and +3 max hp. Compare it with taurog, in which killing half of the 39 monster on the map, would grant you +60% atk, or even +90% if you found all the glyphs. Heck, even Binlor Ironshield at level 2 would grant you +6 damage at level 8, and you don't lose any HP. The increase in experience gain is overrated. The pactmaker must be booster, a suggestion would be having the character gain +2 max hp and damage per level and +2 experience per monster. That would prove a very strong god.

• • The pactmaker is actually quite powerful in the right situations. You're overlooking that he also boosts max mana too. In addition, if you get enough health buffs or are using the right class, you can pretty much ignore Pactmaker's drawback at level 1 and pick it up then. This gives (at level 10, which pactmaker can actually make doable) a total gain of 4 max hp, 4 max damage and 9 max mana. The latter is what can make him very nice. I used pactmaker to finish two different dungeons. Unlike Taurog or Mystra which give bigger versions of their individual buffs, you can use both your magic and melee skills together. With the right class/race combo, this can be a very nasty god. 78.101.75.189
    • Update: Just used pactmaker to finish Factory with Gnome Wizard. Finished with 50 health, 14 mana, and a mana pot, plus a death protection effect. I was using BYSSEPS to swing for 72 a pop, healing with HALPME or potions, rinse repeat. I was level 10 thanks to grabbing Pactmaker before killng a single mob and using the Nuke & Explore trick on a level 8 Animated armor as my first kill, giving me a massive starting bonus. I still had about 1/5 of the dungeon unexplored as a backup reserve.

• I don't trust the tiki took too. I just played a rogue in the cript, and killed 35 out of 39 monsters without beeing hit, having a 55% dodge chance to face the bosses and some level 9 monsters. Having milked the most out of the god, it actually didn't help me very much. I know he doesn't have any restrictions and gives you a free health potion, but I got the feeling that he's a weak god.

Maybe increasing the dodge gain to 1.5% or even 2%, or maybe you could get free health potions for each 5 kills without taking damage.

• • I agree here. I haven't gotten Tiki to contribute to a boss kill, because you wind up having to rely on luck for the final boss kill and it usually doesn't work, since you often need it or 3 times in a row, whereas with a 50+ mana pool from the arcane god you can just spam fireball, even on magic resistant monsters.