Does QCF understand how much fun DD is?

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Re: Does QCF understand how much fun DD is?

Postby booooooze on Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:44 am

I suppose I should have started a new thread if I wanted to know whether we'd ever have access to all our stats. Stupid locker argument. <sigh>
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Re: Does QCF understand how much fun DD is?

Postby Waldo0 on Tue Jun 11, 2013 2:23 am

Welcome back Lujo :), I still think the ban was not cool, because I also had been banned a few times with similar cases that nobody absolutely logically wrong, but just, one person has a right to ban another. :x

Lujo wrote:What waldo described there is the most sensible and no-nonsense way to play the game if you want results in a realistic timeframe:
Veto slots = ideal setups mechs to be optimized through transmuter scumming.
Locker Slots = repository for items you cant afford to let go in order not to have to fish too long.
Vicious Dungeons = venues to get the top items through optimized combos (routines).

I think this point made the difference you and me.

I don't think that's a scumming.(actually, I don't know the exactly meaning the "Scumming", because English is my second language. maybe scumming = unreasonable efforts?)

Actually, I enjoy the collecting behaviors to fill Veto and Locker which you called it as scumming.


This is my actual result in a realistic timeframe:

Vicious Dungeons = Yummy, big and dangerous hunting targets like lion, elephant or hippo in the savanna.
Locker Slots = collecting diversity cool hunting guns in my locker for my awesome hunting.
Veto slots = preparing hunting to increase the rate of hunting success, before I leave to savanna. packing hunting gears like savanna maps, compass, binoculars, first aid kit, traps, jeep car.

All that = infinite locker = A professional hunting agency which have everything for my hunting trip.
"Hunting agency : Just call us! we already have everything what you want. Our phone number 6xx-xxx-00xx. Have a good hunting ;)"

I like former that preparing guns and gears by myself for tomorrow savanna hunting, and I think you like latter that calling the agency and make them to prepare your hunting stuffs for tomorrow.
(Fishing can be more a friendly example instead of hunting, but you would know what I want say.)

That is true, if I just call the agency, they will prepare the stuffs instead of me and I'll save my time and my house storage space for the hunting gears.


I don't think that I'm just a only special(retard) person who like this. I think this is one of funny contents in this game.

In this case, fortunately to me, the one person(banner) has a similar mind.
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Re: Does QCF understand how much fun DD is?

Postby Waldo0 on Tue Jun 11, 2013 2:28 am

booooooze wrote:I suppose I should have started a new thread if I wanted to know whether we'd ever have access to all our stats. Stupid locker argument. <sigh>


Hmm, was this a thread to talk about this subject? :lol:

Sorry my fault, I have a problem to understand a subject in the english post.

Don't worry, I just wrote another long english writing, and I'm feeling that my english skill is improving. :x RAWR!
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Re: Does QCF understand how much fun DD is?

Postby booooooze on Tue Jun 11, 2013 2:50 am

Waldo0 wrote:
booooooze wrote:I suppose I should have started a new thread if I wanted to know whether we'd ever have access to all our stats. Stupid locker argument. <sigh>


Hmm, was this a thread to talk about this subject? :lol:

Sorry my fault, I have a problem to understand a subject in the english post.

Don't worry, I just wrote another long english writing, and I'm feeling that my english skill is improving. :x RAWR!


Nah, it was another locker thread. Kinda. I was going off-topic; I should know better.
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Re: Does QCF understand how much fun DD is?

Postby Lujo on Tue Jun 11, 2013 9:20 am

I'm sorry if I sounded blunt about all of it - that's because I have a different personal opinion about the process.

The process is the same - it's not retarded, it's reasonable. It's painfully reasonable. You can like it, not like it, prefer it, despize it, be oblivious to it, not care for it, subbornly ignore it or find it perfect, but it really is the way to get things done. It's definitely not retarded, and neither are you. I can be blunt about it, you can bring the positive out, none of it matters.

Because it has no alternative. At least no alternative that can match the results. You can do it because you like it, I can do it because I want to spend the least possible amount of time with DD doing stuff other than runs. But you'd do it even if there was an alternative, I very likely wouldn't. But being angry or irritated at us for noticing it is actually being angry at us for being reasonable and using our heads.

Now whether the devs should work on it or not - it's their business. If they think a low percentage of the playerbase is going to interact with it, they can ignore the whole thing, and then they'll have threads with the name such of this one cropping up. I'd say it's my opinion, but since I've been banned for 2 weeks and this thread is here I'd say it's not. I also think it doesn't matter what kind of person you are and that this problem/situation is noticeable to all sorts of players in various situations. And, err, I wrote another textwall...

...and haven't adressed one other thing - paying a nice stack of gold isn't the same as phoning an agency to play something for you. The only way to gain a relevant amount is to play runs. For example - waldo did a million runs to get enough gold for extra locker slots. I'd only ever do it through PQI/burning rewards (without puttin in extra effort to potimize the procedure). Could we both do it? Yes. Was there a choice between doing specific gold-centered/optimized runs, or simply playing the game and getting the benefit naturally? Yes. But "scumming for gold" is actually possible to do while playing the game as it is - you get better at the game, the gold starts flowing. I think this part of the discussion needs looking into.
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Re: Does QCF understand how much fun DD is?

Postby dislekcia on Tue Jun 11, 2013 6:04 pm

I fail to see how the same people stating the same opinions and constantly misrepresenting other people's arguments (usually via straw men) is supposed to change anything. Can we stop doing this please? I'd much rather talk about stats.

I replied about useful developer time investment, given the impact on the most players possible. That's informed by a lot more than just these forums, which collect the most hardcore players. This entire forum could think one thing and not be anywhere near representative of the majority of DD players.
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Re: Does QCF understand how much fun DD is?

Postby Lujo on Tue Jun 11, 2013 6:20 pm

dislekcia wrote:I'd much rather talk about stats.


Fine with me.

What are the plans for the end-run screen? I've been hoping for improvements in that particular area for a while now.
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Re: Does QCF understand how much fun DD is?

Postby JayPlaysIndieGames on Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:26 pm

On the topic of Stats: I would love to see how many runs I've done, total gold earned, number of bosses and boss types killed, number of monter and monster types killed etc, etc An administration building seems appropriate to the flavor of the game as well :)

On the topic of MtG: I used to love the game, but i hated any version of digitizing they have done.

On the topic of Lockers: Honestly to me right now they are just a way for me to start a run with a fine sword :)
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