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Resistance and Damage Reduction - which order?

Postby Dreamdancer on Sat Jul 13, 2013 3:22 pm

In which order are Resistance and Damage Reduction applied?
First Resistance and then Damage Reduction would be nice, since there is a greater gain.
But since DD mostly rounds in the direction which benefits monsters, it could be the other way around.
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Re: Resistance and Damage Reduction - which order?

Postby Darvin on Sat Jul 13, 2013 5:12 pm

damage reduction first, resistance second.

Yes, it's part of the "err in favor of the monsters" mentality of the DD ruleset.
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Re: Resistance and Damage Reduction - which order?

Postby The Avatar on Sat Jul 13, 2013 6:22 pm

Yeah, the only thing in favor of the player concerning DR (other than the straight up DR) is if you can get it to do 0 damage to you (because of DR), you can ignore corrosion. This is usually irrelevant, but it can be a lifesaver in some cases.
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Re: Resistance and Damage Reduction - which order?

Postby Darvin on Sun Jul 14, 2013 1:01 am

The Avatar wrote:Yeah, the only thing in favor of the player concerning DR (other than the straight up DR) is if you can get it to do 0 damage to you (because of DR), you can ignore corrosion. This is usually irrelevant, but it can be a lifesaver in some cases.

Basically only relevant against vicious indomitable; it's pretty much the only situation where enemy damage can fall below your DR and one of the only situations where you will realistically build up a large amount of corrosion.
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Re: Resistance and Damage Reduction - which order?

Postby The Avatar on Sun Jul 14, 2013 5:33 am

That, pissing off EM and screwing up in Ick Swamp. It can be the difference between mid fight level up and death.
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Re: Resistance and Damage Reduction - which order?

Postby Darvin on Sun Jul 14, 2013 6:23 am

While pissing off EM and screwing up in Ick can certainly rack up corrosion, you're unlikely to be fighting anything with an attack weak enough that DR can completely overcome it. The Indomitable is pretty much the only circumstance that both these factors can realistically coincide.
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Re: Resistance and Damage Reduction - which order?

Postby Dreamdancer on Sun Jul 14, 2013 11:03 am

Hmm... ok.
Was thinking about a way to fully utilize the Avatar's Codex (double fireball damage, but enemies retilate for 50% damage). Nice thing which i noticed was the in the case of Heavy Fireballs the monster damage gets also reduced by Resistance and Damage Reduction.

Elf monk could probably synergiese well, more so if one finds B2P. Only problem which i see is, that all the fireballs are really mana intensive... Think it's time to put the Crystall Ball out of the Veto Slot ( :shock: yep, it's true... i hear your rants :) but somehow i never really learned to really use this item (B2P is also on the 'things i need to learn'-list)
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Re: Resistance and Damage Reduction - which order?

Postby The Avatar on Sun Jul 14, 2013 1:35 pm

Avatar's Codex+Platemail+EM=INCREDIBLE! Does anyone know how resists and DR interact with fireball retaliation?
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Re: Resistance and Damage Reduction - which order?

Postby Dreamdancer on Sun Jul 14, 2013 9:50 pm

The special thing about the Avatar's Codex is, that it ISN'T fireball retilation, but the monster does 50% of its normal damage (of his normal damage typ). This means if you have 50% resistance the monster does only 25% damage :D

Wizard with Codex + ENDISWALL worked really nice against physical enemies, but was really mana-intensive. This lead to the idea with an Elf Monk, where one would start with nice resists.
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Re: Resistance and Damage Reduction - which order?

Postby The Avatar on Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:14 pm

Or a sorcerer with platemail and vine form. It is a nasty combo if you can get it going.
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