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Re: Video Review of Desktop Dungeons and a Let's Play!

Postby JayPlaysIndieGames on Sat Aug 10, 2013 5:23 pm

Yeah I'm not heading straight off into vicious land (despite today's run) My next goal is to start working through all those quest flags (and probably unlocking more dungeons as a side effect) My lowest priority quests are the Unlikely heroes ones (though I do enjoy them I think they just give you money). My highest priority is new dungeons and item unlocks. I definitely want to unlock the remaining race and classes and I need to use the tinker and figure him out soon.

As for vicious. . .well as a side thing I want to "complete" all the normal dungeons (classes and badges) and whenever I have one completed it might be time to try out that vicious token on it. That is what I did with the den of danger today and that is probably what I will continue to do.

Eventually though I will start dipping my hand back in the naturally vicious dungeons. . .
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Re: Video Review of Desktop Dungeons and a Let's Play!

Postby The Avatar on Sun Aug 11, 2013 2:56 am

I agree that quests are top priority. Clear all the red flags you can. I do NOT agree that going through and clearing normal and hard before looking at vicious is right. Frankly, I would (and will) recommend your first dungeon run as soon as you get your level 3 witch and the final race.

Part 76: Ah, a vicious token run. What fun! In my mind, the vicious token is not that hard, but instead different. The obscene amount of damage they do in vicious mode basically requires resists or spellpower. Also, the enemies are ridiculous compared to the boss(es), so anyone with really good spell casting power can win rather easily.You picked luckily. Great prep load out except a compression seal is almost meaningless for a wizard because of small glyphs. Frankly, vicious mode is not that hard with good strategy. There are strats that can beat Magma Mines vicious while killing the first boss at level 1. Nice job popcorn bowling. Here's a tip: if you don't recognize an altar, get there ASAP. Alright, MA should be enough to win if you use her right. And you don't get SMM or Iron Man. Again? Seriously, think about where you're popcorn bowling. This is vicious, and if you don't screw up big time you've won. Yin Yang subdungeon is terrible in vicious. You aren't going to kill them, and you aren't getting exploration. That was a poor choice. That bloody sigil is pretty ideal. Blobs are always bad targets. If you bought the BLOODY SIGIL this would work. Under MA as a wizard, all that matters is magic, refreshment, and maybe flames. Definitely flames in vicious. Monsters are a serious pain in vicious mode. You are wrong. This isn't working well enough. You had a hit previously, and this is really expensive.
You will lose at this rate. You need to be MUCH more efficient. Fortunately in the den you can probably kill the boss at level 5 or so. In vicious mode, your health potions are meaningless except for leveling, so they are prime candidates. WHAT?! Why wouldn't you target the BANDIT? You have no resists. It doesn't matter if you have 9000 stacks of curse! As a wizard, you should target bandits and wraiths. Normally I would recommend APHEELSIK use, but you've already wasted too many tiles. LUCKY! Jörmungadnr is one of the easiest bosses in the whole pack. You should just get more MP. You really will only be able to score 1 level higher kills. Just go for easy 1 level higher guys. You can kill the dragon. It's a bit miserable to regen fight on such few tiles, but beggars cannot be choosers. Nicely fought. Wow, you are lucking out hugely on monster composition. There are so many wraiths and bandits. No, you shouldn't be able to get 2 level higher kills. This is vicious mode. Why would you target a goblin over a gorgon? It just does more damage. Wow. You literally haven't seen the gorgon. Nah, you're fine. Level up once and set a mid fight level up to win. There. You will be hard pressed to get more than a two level higher kill, but that level 8 wraith is a great target. No! Why would you pick the magic resistant target? You have ENDISWAL and there is a secret subdungeon. NO! You are TOTALLY misplaying this! You are struggling for great kills when all you need to do is kill the boss. The key in vicious mode is to focus on the boss! You clearly underestimate your fireball power. You haven't been using any of your piety. Shame on you. You will NEVER be close to tanking a hit on the boss! JUST BURN HIM AND BE DONE WITH IT! See, you have the wrong mindset for this. You need to push boundaries and break limits. You won't conceive a plan (the correct plan) to kill the boss immediately because you haven't done it. Unless desperation pushes you to attack him with all you have, it will never occur to you as it is outside your little box of how the game should work. The game SHOULD work in a way where you have to level up and then beat him up, while you can practically ignore the majority of the map and killing the boss. When I beat vicious vicious Namtar's lair I started killing the boss at level 1. I made my map into a string of mid fight level ups. That would never occur to you because that is outside of your little box. DESTROY THE BOX AND BE FREE! Question any preconcieved notion you have and think about the why of every move. See, us pros are free of the box. You have the benefit of being told your game is in a box and not having to realize it throughout repeatedly losing to vicious stuff. I'm not even commenting on the past 5 or so minutes, because THEY SHOULD NEVER HAVE OCCURED! It was all so unnecessary. You could have won so long ago by converting all non mana items at level 5 and scoring the mid fight level up to 6 for the kill. Good, you chose to convert the badge. You're right: it isn't as high as you thought. It isn't even that high. NO! Refreshment should have come before everything. That way your mana and schadenfreude potions are more valuable.

KEY POINTS: As much as I sound like a psycho premoting his own religions, this advice might be some of the best I can give you. Break the box that you have placed your game in. Once you destroy all of your preconcieved notions, the possibilities are endless. Remember, don't win the game, break it. Also, I cannot stress monster choice enough. Picking the right level and monster type is one of the single most important skills. Consider EVERYTHING. Learn monsters stats percentages and use characters that beat their bonuses on them.
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Re: Video Review of Desktop Dungeons and a Let's Play!

Postby JayPlaysIndieGames on Sun Aug 11, 2013 4:06 pm

I get what your saying to some extent. I am sure there are many strategies or even a completely different way of looking at the game I am going to have to form eventually, but honestly I doubt that will happen until it actually becomes necessary to win. As long as I am winning and the game is rewarding the way I am playing currently then I am unlikely to change my play-style too dramatically (except that I want to start incorporating the monk and bloodmage more)

In all honesty I am probably not ready to "break the game yet". I still only have a cursory understanding of the gods, I still don't use glyphs 100% properly, and there are several classes I underuse/don't fully understand. Until I get past that I will probably not be able to do what you are asking me to do here. . .

That said I know eventually I will hit a wall. I am guessing that will be when I start vicious, but before I do that I need to do a lot of item unlocking and I need to at least play and beat all the hard dungeons as well as most/all the silver challenges. There are also many classes for me to unlock apparently :)
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Re: Video Review of Desktop Dungeons and a Let's Play!

Postby The Avatar on Mon Aug 12, 2013 6:03 am

Good, unless you get it. That means you will be able to get there. And frankly, with even a couple basic strats you could beat vicious. Don't sweat it.

Part 77: Somehow two videos have sprung up. Did I miss a day? Whatever. Anyways, the tinker! He is a surprisingly great class. Even with a bad item pool he is a very good class. Yeah, berserker camp is a joke. The fire heart is a good item. Not great for spell classes, but GREAT for hybrids. The thing with the tinker is he is great as a human because you get so many items. It stacks up. That was a bad choice. Attack boosters is great for dwarves and health boosters is great for humans. Of course, magnet: fireball is great for everyone. That is the Swiss Alchemy Kit. Yeah, it's nice. You can carry a bunch of stuff, reach the secret subdungeon rather easily and steal a really expensive item. Always use your shop scroll immediately. WRONG! That didn't have gold under it. That was just the transmutation seal. The woman in the wall is meaningless. What? Why would the strength potion give you that much. Oh wow. Sanguine with dwarves is great. The tinker is a balance. Convert and keep a bunch. GETINDARE? This is going well. Wow, both bosses. The tormented one is a bit of a pain. Still, his hp is so small that he shouldn't be a problem. I have a question: why would you not buy that bloody sigil? There aren't enough high cost items in your item pool for you not to be able to afford stuff. Scratch that, you didn't steal the battlemage ring. GETINDARE! NEVER FORGET GETINDARE! It is still much better than your fireball. You could beat that frozen troll with the bloody sigil... NO! USE GETINDARE! Wow, you are forgetting so much. That works. If you remember GETINDARE. See, you remember GETINDARE when you think about the kill. That means you were playing on autopilot before that, which is a HUGE mistake. Uh, no. You need to be able to take 112 damage to fight Bjorn. Actually, that tower shield is better than the hero's helm. And you've forgotten your thievery scroll. My gosh, you are wasting so much by forgetting GETINDARE. You should level up kill the level 8. Nope. There, you saw it. You can't whittle a 4 level higher monster. Of course if you used CYDSTEPP you could get that kill. Seriously, you have a strange obsession with fireballing. Good, you actually remembered your compression. You aren't accounting for berserk. Even still, you could kill the bod. See, just GETINDARE and things go better. You save tiles AND get dodge chance. WHY? WHY FIREBALL? ARGH! That's JJ. OH MY GOSH. That would be great. That would almost make it possible to kill Björn without a level up. Get hoarder. Why not get specialist? You can barely hurt the boss with your physical attacks anyways. Uh... he barely has any health. YOU CAN TRASH WALLS WITH TRANSMUTATION! And you can't. Except you dodged! Get unstoppable. You are totally wrong. You have faithless and hoarder and feeling parched. Well, good run.

KEY POINTS: Even with the battlemage ring, GETINDARE is still far more efficient. Never forget your Swiss alchemy kit. It is far to important. If you walk out with any unused seals you made a big mistake. Use transmutation on the walled in subdungeon and steal the most expensive item. Also, buy basically everything. Until you get some more pricy items, you should clean out the shops. Then again, you haven't gotten bank level 3. Do automagic teleporting machine to get it.

Part 78: And now more redundant challenges for your own amusement provided by your kingdom witch. How fun. This shouldn't be too hard. Just prep Taurog and don't get a physical resist boss. Go human. I'm glad you're doing this. It makes apothecaries sell schadenfreude potions. PREP TAUROG!!! Frankly, in general adventuring Apothecary is what you want to prep. No Taurog? That's too bad. USE THE BLOODY BLOODY SIGIL! GG is pretty nice. He suers up your only weakness while not really hurting you. You could just smash Binlor. Unless you have resistances, Binlor's punishment is meaningless. WHAT?! WHY WON'T YOU CONVERT THEA MANA POTIONS? That's 5 piety EACH! Tough luck on monster placement. Stop complaining and take the level 3. You lucky man. You are over exploring for nothing. You only needed 4 of those 7 tiles. You should have taken popcorn over that same level guy. Berserkers are a pain for you. Tough ending. You were probably going to lose. You misplayed and never even looked at GG's boons. GG is GREAT! Yeah. That was bad luck. That fountain is incredibly valuable. It grants 5% sanguine. You are too weak for that. If you look at GG and take Absolution you will win. Dang, how wasteful. Uh, NO! Absolution adds max hp. If it was MP it would be broken. Right now, you are fundamentally looking at GG wrong. You only consider him for his late game power. You need your strength potion to win. Or find a bunch of boosters. You are really not remembering stuff. See, now you see why humility can hurt. Having 56 hp at level 3 takes so many tiles. LUCKY! Medusa is a joke of a boss. She has no hp. Well, that's one way to salvage a strength potion. You over explored. That was doable... All you need is 4 tiles. That's all it ever took. No! Not potions, PROTECTIONS! That was a same level monster. That was a misplay. You forgot berserk. You can just buy that tower shield. Next time just use a tile. You could have gotten feeling parched. Actually, medusa is just as tough as Björn. Actually, you will still get feeling parched. Nice! Actually, Magma mines priest feeling parched isn't that bad. If you prep GG, you can convert potions for 5 piety.

KEY POINTS: It's rather hard to comment on warmonger. Not enough happens... Well, it's all really general. Always explore EXACTLY enough tiles. Try to remember your strength potion. Look at the boss panel.
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Re: Video Review of Desktop Dungeons and a Let's Play!

Postby JayPlaysIndieGames on Mon Aug 12, 2013 5:04 pm

yeah now that I am working shifts as well as going to school upload times are going to be sporadic, also I am working on the tutorials which I have decided will be spread across 4 runs (one for each starting class).
One in venture cave, one in den of danger, one in the north and one in the west :)
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Re: Video Review of Desktop Dungeons and a Let's Play!

Postby damousey on Fri Aug 16, 2013 2:36 pm

thought I should let you know. Today I decided to watch you playing the game instead of loading up the build and grabbing screenshots as reference while working on things that reference the dungeons. So now, in a tiny way, your Let's plays are helping production :)
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Re: Video Review of Desktop Dungeons and a Let's Play!

Postby The Avatar on Mon Aug 19, 2013 1:08 pm

Sorry I can't review anything. I got sick and now I'm on vacation. I'll be able to review next Monday.
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Re: Video Review of Desktop Dungeons and a Let's Play!

Postby JayPlaysIndieGames on Tue Aug 20, 2013 5:40 am

damousey: very cool. :)

Avatar: no worries man, I haven't been able to play for awhile either. I will try to upload one today but this week will be very sporadic.
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Re: Video Review of Desktop Dungeons and a Let's Play!

Postby The Avatar on Fri Aug 30, 2013 5:09 am

Wow, I got back and got sucked right into the triple quests. And totally forgot to keep reviewing.

Part 79: Complicated Tasks Pt 6! This is one of my favorite quests. Backwards stuff is so fun. Thank you for observing tradition. Good choice. Dwarf or Human priests are good choice. The not unlocked race is a great substitute for humans. Hmm... I'm not so sure that Magnet: Fireball wasn't smarter. You are choosing to bank on luck. Unless your locker items let you get off the ground, you should generally prep Magnet: Fireball. Use your shop scroll immediately. Nicely done! B2P is actually incredible for your character and this scenario. You have boosted health so you get more out of it, and it will make the magic immune boss much easier (if you choose to tackle him first). There is no reason to pick up B2P unless you have another glyph. PACTMAKER! If you score an early body pact here it would be huge. Unless you are taking consensus, you should basically only take Scholar's Pact. You have to use Consensus FIRST. You can only take consensus before a pact. Wow, you have been incredibly lucky so far... Nicely done. That was good usage of B2P. ENDISWAL scores you that extra piety. At the very least you can one off it. Just PLEASE don't over ENDISWAL. Don't be suicidal. Good job checking for the one tile you need. If you have to choose between B2Ping or regenerating less that 3 tiles, always choose regenerating, because B2P costs 3 tiles. Good buy. You are set up to crush this out of the park. The whole point of ENDISWALing when you have excess is racking up previous unaccesable tiles for LATER. You aren't going to find a mosnter in the wall, so save them for when you only need resists. You could have beaten that level 4 goo a long time ago. He poisons you, so don't. HALPMEH?! Wow, this just gets better and better. Next thing you know you'll have found Dracul. NO! YOU HAVE SO MUCH HEALTH! YOU COULD BE SPIKING 2-3 LEVEL HIGHER MONSTERS! HALPMEH does let you kill poisonous monsters, but don't if you can. It is still slightly more resource intensive. You better not convert HALPMEH. Well, actually you can convert HALPMEH for Dracul. Knockback cannot kill the monster the target is being pushed into. That means you can infinitely push a boss into a level 1 without the level 1 dying. The 3 donation levels are 5 gold for a one off experience boost, 15 for one level of learning, and 30 (or is it 25 or 35) for 40 (or so) exp. Usually it is best to save until the boss and buy the third option for a mid fight level up. This is an incredible set up for feeling parched. You hurt it rather severly by converting B2P, but you can still do this easily. What? He's a snake. You should double check your calculations. You don't get enough hp. You shouldn't be regen fighting a snake. HALPMEH or not, it is a HUGE waste of resources if it lasts longer than a few hits. You really are wasting resources. It is only a two level higher kill. You would have been much better off fireballing the 1 level higher wraith and killing it for about one third of the cost. Wow, that was nearly a huge waste. You definitely cannot kill the level 7. NO! IF YOU KNOW IT IS TERRIBLE THEN DON'T! If you are going to convert HALPMEH (which is still a terrible choice for feeling parched), worship Drac first. THAT STILL WOULD HAVE WORKED! You weren't going to lose your DP! You were just going to one HP! You have to look at the predictor. What you should do is kill your undead popcorn, use CYDSTEPP, worship Drac, convert CYDSTEPP, and go get some lifesteal. You are wasting so much for this kill. It is becoming a problem. You keep looking for the highest level kill, even if it is not the best choice. You know how you have been converting so much? YOU COULD HAVE BEEN COMPRESSED SOMETHING! You don't need to kill all of the undead to join dracul, just your undead popcorn. If you had been ENDISWALing properly you wouldn't be out of exploration. You could still win. It will be close, but you can. See, you really need to ENDISWAL properly. NO! DO NOT WASTE YOUR SCHADENFREUDE. Ironically, the guy who you said shouldn't be bad is the hardest of all... If you ENDISWAL for exploration, DON'T IMMEDIATELY WASTE THAT EXPLORATION. And thoughtlessness strikes again! If you had saved B2P the other guy would be a joke. If you had saved HALPMEH, this guy would be much easier. WHY WOULD YOU WASTE YOUR 8 MANA? You might as well score some stoneskin. See, that would have scored you an extra hit. You need to kill your undead first. And now you see the compression seal. This has been a rather bad run. STOP. You have so much popcorn. If you had killed 1 guy and taken lifesteal you would be in such a good position. Then all your popcorn is 3 piety and you will have lots of extra for Sanguine. Your pact is coming back to haunt you. If you remember, you can convert all of your health potions. Oh my gosh. This is sad. You should have gone in, converted all of your potions, and taken one level of sanguine and lifesteal. Then use popcorn to kill the boss, saving your blood pools and racking up lots of piety. You should be in such a great position. Instead you are low on blood pools and popcorn. That is the single most tragic moment on a feeling parched run: trying to convert potions but instead drinking them. Why? Why would you level up when you could just get a mid fight level up. STOP NOW OR LOSE. You have messed up so much, but you can still pull this together if you DO NOT WASTE THAT LEVEL UP. Okay, this is going to be REALLY close. Also, you should have converted ENDISWAL a long time ago. Frankly, you should have converted ENDISWAL a long time ago. Oh wow, I wasn't factoring learning. Even still, that was a bad choice. A mid fight level up with the hit is more valuable unless leveling up again scores you an extra hit. You need to CYDSTEPP before you take a ton of damage. You can do this. You should have taken another level of sanguine a long time ago. Seriously, if you had converted ENDISWAL you would be scoring so much more off those blood pools. No, corrosion means he does more. You can still win this. Buy the fine sword, blood swell, and use your badge. Seriously, if you had converted before the blood pools, that was another hit or two. There. You barely made it.

KEY POINTS: You should't just be looking for the highest level kill you can get. A lot of the time that kill is a bad decision because of how many tiles it wastes. Always ENDISWAL properly. If you don't it will hurt you later on. If you find HALPMEH or B2P those should become the focus of your game. They spike just as well as CYDSTEPP+ENDISWAL, but for less tiles. If you have a good amount of popcorn under Drac, you should almost always take lifesteal. Also, if you know you are done with higher level kills (excluding the final boss), take Blood Curse. Oh yeah, and USE THE COMPRESSION SEAL IMMEDIATELY.

Part 80: Quicksilver and Reflex each give you an extra shot. If you use the reflex potion when you have the quicksilver dodge, you get two hits in without taking damage (and you will heal if you have lifesteal). This is called a quicksilver+reflex combo. They are key in a lot of strategies (and Tiki Tooki provides the potions too). The superstition about never mentioning what the can of whupaz does stems from the joke that the devs don't realize how broken it is, and if we were to mention it or point it out they would nerf it. Also, the can of whupaz is never actually necessary. It is a newbie crutch. A game super-veteran can consistently beat vicious (minus VGT) without it. Heck, you can both not use it and get feeling parched in vicious with a good strategy. Perpetual Questing Initiative (PQI) is eternal though. Heh, I love the dark souls quest. It is so satisfying when you win. Automagic Teleport Machine nets you the third bank. There are 3 extra classes that are extra special. They are quite unusual, and force fun out-of-the-box playing. An elf with elven boots and mana boosters? You should just be a gnome with all of the extra mana you will get. If only you could take duplicates. I would LOVE four cans of whupaz. One thing that you can do (which you have never done) is remove the health and/or mana potion and replace it. I often replace my health for reflex and mana for schadenfreude. Then take quicksilver and whupaz. It is a nice set up. REMEMBER THE COMPRESSION SEAL. Yeah, you can't quite APHEELSIK him to death. If you APHEELSIK+BURNDAYRAZ this can work. You aren't being exacting enough. You need to make sure you ALWAYS have burning on. He's magic resistant. Nicely done. Ah, you got shifting passaged. You have to watch out for that. It screws people over frequently. The best way to counter it is killing the monster from a position where a wall would appear. That means no walls appear. And it usually isn't that hard to tell where the walls are going to be. If you see two walls with a space in between, chances are a wall should appear there to make a line. And if you are standing there when you kill the monster, no walls appear. It is possible to win without ever making walls appear. You should have worshipped JJ. An early JJ is flat out power. If you had been a gnome... THERE IS B2P! B2P+CYDSTEPP=OBSCENE POWER! Wow, you got the goo! This is too easy. Don't forget to consensus first. And you forgot consensus. There really isn't a good reason to level. Well done. You considered it, then discarded it as a invalid option. That level 4 will be an easy kill at level 2. Heck, you could almost kill it now. That was a mistake. You could have regenerated one tile to save your 10 tile CYDSTEPP. Everything costs 1 less. You really don't use B2P enough. It is sitting there for you to get 2 level higher kills with. You didn't need to APHEELSIK. DO NOT FORGET BURNING. ARGH! YOU ARE BOXING YOURSELF IN! YOU HANDWAVED EVEN CONSIDERING THE FIGHT ON THE GROUNDS THAT YOU WERE TO LOW LEVEL! LEVEL IS IRRELEVANT! STATS MATTER! Sorry. That was kind of rant-y. And you fortunately changed your mind due to an item. The item shouldn't have been necessary, but take luck where you can get it. Heck, you can just burn him to death. Yeah, you should basically expect 3 fireballs for a wizard. Not enough. You need to use poison. Wrong. Burning discharges on the hit. Just regen up and try again for the kill. If you use B2P in that regen fighting or APHEELSIK it will work. Good. That was a good kill. You are set up for a solid win even still. Wrong. The ideal target for a wizard (and basically everybody else) is Tomithy. Wrong. You shouldn't be picking fights with Golems. All you have to do is regenerate 1 tile. There. Frankly, it is terrible that you had to fight that Golem, but your only other option are Djinni (or is it Djinns?). You should use the titan guitar right before you fight your first boss. You actually probably should use your reflex or APHEELSIK against the level 8 Djinn. All other targets are rather miserable. Then agian, you can continue fishing for monsters. A goat? That is a lucky break. WHAT ARE YOU THINKING? HE MAY BE AN EASY TARGET, BUT THEN YOU ARE FORCED INTO THE GOAT OR DJINN ANYWAYS. That means you wasted 45 tiles to not level up, when scoring the level up was totally possible. That was a better choice, although you should have gone for the Djinn or Goat in the first place. You have the elven boots for 15% magic res. That was poorly done. You could have used the fact that they don't retaliate if they're dead to save 8 tiles. You are over ENDISWALing obscenely. Each set up you are doing costs 41 tiles (15 pre-stoneskin+10 CYDSTEPP+ 16 Full Mana bar). Okay, you need target the goo. Seriously, just because you are going unstoppable doesn't mean you should level up more before fighting bosses. You don't need to be able to take a hit to win. Wow, that is an incredible stroke of luck. You had been making a terrible choice in not converting your glyphs (YOU NEVER USED B2P). WHAT?! WHY ARE YOU NOT TAKING REFRESHMENT? THAT IS THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT BOON SHE HAS TO OFFER AND YOU HAVE GONE HOARDER SO FAR (which was a terrible choice). You should just use your compression seal. It is +15 points. Not 15%. Now, because you aren't paying attention to the walls, you will be screwed when you clean up popcorn. You don't need the exploration? What about AFTER the fight? You are making terrible choices. You shouldn't have done this, but you might as well use your reflex potion. That was not smart. If all of your popcorn is slowed, you should make sure you one shot everything. You could still lose. In fact, you very well might. At the very least you are not going to get unstoppable. Well, if you had taken refreshment, worshipped JJ, or made smarter choices you would still have won. NO! YOU HAD ONE SHOT TO GET REFRESHMENT! If you had smashed JJ it could have worked. That was dumb. Now you are shut out of all of your popcorn. Then if you get stuffed in the passages with your popcorn everything well get ressed the heck out of. You should't have taken flames. It makes unstoppable much much harder. Did you ever check that subdungeon? You need to use the rest of your mana. Slowed cancels blink. Evolvia's stuff randomizes. And retaliate: fireball. You lose. You wouldn't have gotten unstoppable, but it doesn't really matter.

KEY POINTS: Your ENDISWAL CYDSTEPP combo costs 41 tiles. Avoid it when possible, as it is ridiculously inefficient. Seriously, either use or stop prepping that compression seal. As any MA worshipper who still has glyphs, refreshment--not magic--is first priority (except for the first 1-2 levels of magic). Don't just take the highest level kill. Sometimes the smartest move is only 1 level higher kills (although this is fairly rare). Seriously, if you aren't going to use a glyph (*cough* BLUDTUPOWA *cough*) then just convert it. Also, don't play a run differently just because you are going for unstoppable. Usually the best time to mop up those tougher level 8 and 9 targets (which should probably be golems and djinni as a wizard) is after the boss, as you may get first strike bonus depending on your level.

Priest Silver: I'm on a roll right now. This is going to be a long post. Ah, now that have the can this should be much better. Thief, Rogue, Assassin, Warlord, Wizard, and Paladin shouldn't be too hard. Rogue will probably be the hardest among those. The hardest are Bloodmage, Monk (which is only because you don't have the final race and you're bad with the monk), and Tinker. Well, now it just comes down to skill (and actually a good amount of luck). The glyph pool for this challenge (I think) is HALPMEH, APHEELSIK, BURNDAYRAZ, ENDISWAL, LEMISI, WEYTWUT, and GETINDARE. You especially want LEMISI, GETINDARE, and ENDISWAL. Even if you can kill that snake it will poison you. You should basically use GETINDARE to level, ENDISWAL to move, and LEMISI to regen fight the boss. You have maxed out apothecary. It might be worth using a strength potion to get off the ground. You can ALWAYS regen fight level 2s. That was a win, then you use a strength potion to take the snake. Good job regen fighting. Ouch. There is the luck part I was talking about. You should get used to restarting. Sometimes there isn't much you can do. Well, this is a much better start. LEMISI is a nice find. Wow, if ever there was a daunting boss, it was this. And a couple others you haven't seen. Good job not converting BURNDAYRAZ. You really should get that tower shield. The 4 best buys are tower shield, platemail (for the boss only), bloody sigil (with LEMISI), and any damage boosters. You should be APHEELSIKing the meat man nonstop. Don't forget to keep poisoning. There. Nice excruciatingly drawn out kill. Great! That is a good target. As long as you keep up the fireballs this will work. You forgot your +100%. Mind you, +100% is NOT double. It just adds your base (5 times your level, unless changed) to your total. Wow, I am imagining how much easier this would be with GETINDARE. It is 20 stacks of poison. that makes 10 tiles (due to burning). Don't waste your time. You are correct that it was burning. You should be utilizing. That was very bad. LEMISI is huge against the boss. Magic resist resists a percent of the poison stacks. Now you see why ENDISWAL is so nice. Man, you wouldn't even have to regen fight if you had GETINDARE. You need to be between level 7 and 8 to take him out. You also need regen fighting capabilities or an insane amount of potions. That was a poor choice. You got lucky, but that could have backfired due to hit magic res. If you need exploration you can kill popcorn. Unless you are only regenerating health AND well get at least 8 tiles you are better off killing the popcorn. There, that's better. There is exploration down there. If you are throwing away 6 tiles for a shop, you've wasted unless you are in need of a certain item (as in your whole strategy is based around it). What are you thinking? Why would you not APHEELSIK. That could have cost you the run. That and not choosing to LEMISI until you'd spotted GETINDARE or ENDISWAL. You didn't even need that potion. Wow. Platemail was a great find. You have plenty of tiles. It is exactly enough. No. Just APHEELSIK one more time. And you blew it. You should have APHEELSIKed first and not had to do that. Well, that was suicidal and wasteful, but you won. Why are you totally ignoring your remaining exploration? Well, it doesn't matter either way. You sealed your fate when you converted LEMISI. Use your reflex tonic for first strike. Platemail is a great buy as long as you don't find GETINDARE. You are totally forgetting your bonus damage. Well, you didn't get high enough level or save LEMISI. That is a good move. When you have extra exploration, but not enough for a higher level kill. Either that or there are not more higher level kills. If only you hadn't poison. That cost you a hit. Scratch that, you have HALPMEH. THAT LEVELS YOU UP. You just wasted a hit. The fireball is removed by the can of whupaz. You will not win. If you had kept LEMISI or had a higher level bank (and brough enough gold to buy stuff. That platemail was a bad buy. Because you aren't regen fighting and your hp exceeds 105 you are better off buying a damage item and kept your popcorn. This was not a bad try at all. You should use BURNDAYRAZ before you convert it. If you had kept LEMISI, bought a damage item, or either ENDISWAL or GETINDARE spawned this was a win. Or just leveled more efficiently.

KEY POINTS: I'll be honest: the only meaningful mistake was converting LEMISI. Either that or not switching your mana for quicksilver. Other than that you made a couple bad choices and were't regen fighting as well as you could have.

Well, that's enough for now.
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Re: Video Review of Desktop Dungeons and a Let's Play!

Postby JayPlaysIndieGames on Fri Aug 30, 2013 3:21 pm

79: I won't mention what it does specifically, but honestly from all the secrecy I thought it would be something crazy like a "Potion of Forgetting" that reapplies blackspace to the entire map or changes enemy monster type. I can't help the tooltip popping up, but if someone is determined enough to pause the video to see what it does they can probably find out some other way.

80: Thanks for explaining the quicksilver reflex combo. . .I should definitely start doing that. I have been using those potions so wrong. . .

Priest Silver: I was actually worried there was some huge step I was missing. . .maybe I'll try this one again soon.
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