*SPOILERS* Dailies Thread

[MTaur]

[Astral]

The 'proper' way to play Rats is to cherry pick your highest level monsters and only fight those, as a result you would be dealing with a very limited amount of revenants. If there's no Halpme or Imawall on the board I would get close to a ding, start meleeing/fireballing the revenants then level up to clear the poison. If I had Weytwut or Endiswall I may do the cheeky thing of not caring about them and let Stehno remove them for me. She can have 90% both resist but it won't matter against massive corrosion damage.

[MTaur]

Indestructible tiles can be a pain with these guys. I guess one could prep JJ and save 8 mana after each kill. They're kind of a headache, and you need to have enough resources and levels left over for the other boss, too. I guess I have the easiest time with something like Orc Rogue or something like that, where I need at most one fireball each for maybe half of them.

[Blovski]

[Lujo]

Stheno does nothing if you Pissorff the other guy into her, though, meaning that the Rat (and anyone at all) can just pissorff her all day long and level through it by killing stuff they pissorff into her (or the other guy untill you lower his health to the level of her health). Heck, you can get unstoppable without actually killing anything but her and the other guy that way, with alchemist pact or simply a goblin.

The Rat is, as usual, not actually very good at it in my eyes, because you need to actually think about how to land a physical hit or two in on stuff.With him it's powerful, but takes thinking about more things, other guys just need to refill/ding when they do the same thing. And it's still the most straightforward way to beat anything but GT/VGT with the Rat, probably. But almost all other guys have essentially the exact same thing going without any of his restrictions (inventory, base power etc).

[Astral]

I think the most straightforward thing to do with the Rat is spamming Stone Skin and hitting stuff, if we don't count the super lucky early Cyddstep find. In that case disregard everything and just keep slapping your bossess.

[Blovski]

[Lujo]

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With any other class you can't mess up. If you can move stheno and the other guy next to each other and maybe 2 more guys, you just start at lvl 1 and ding through it. There's nothing TO screw up, except moving stuff around. Throw pissorffs, ding, refill by whatever means, not regen needed. I did it a million times. There and in just about any other dungeon. Yes, the rat has a good margin of error because of his built in refills and all the damage you can stack, but nobody else needs to land a single physical hit on a boss at all (if they don't want to).

Now if you DID screw up, with other guys it would maybe be a problem (possibly, there's plenty who could still do it), but why would you screw up? It's exactly the same routine as anywhere else except you're not supposed to touch Stheno, as long as the layout isn't terminal it's a "you had one job!" kind of thing.

I mean, I just did it in Berserker Camp with a chemist while not having actually crossed the bridge or touched the subdungeon, found all the stuff or anything, and he didn't even have any potions to refill with. Everything that died died to pissorffs on one of the bossess, and one of the bossess was Gobb who even resisted 20% of it... That's the funny thing with the rat, the strongest strat in the game is really what he wants to do and is sorta the least complicated thing to do with him quite often, except hes rather unexceptional at it when compared to guys who aren't even very well suited to it at all. You can simply dodge + reflex a lot of front loaded corrosion and just buy stuff to refill, and pad it out with stoneskins, so he's got his own thing with it, and is by no means terrible, mind you, it's just kinda funny.

[Blovski]

Eh, I quite like that, given I messed up my one job. I do really like the Rat approach in general and that you're working for a really low level solution, though it's going to take willpower not to cheese Binlor now I know it's the obvious solution for Rats in hard places. Yeah, with the rat you need to be able to land a physical hit but you don't need to worry too much about levelling or exploring or anything and ultimately the level of Pisorf power you can hit is magnificent.

I think VHOS is probably a place where a Rat has a massive edge, just because you can stack the Corrosion damage so high.

[Lujo]

Naaah, it's bascially the same as for everyone else, he just ends up killing Blah Blah easier than some. That's the thing, the edge isn't massive, because noone has to worry about anything with pissorff, especially there. I've ran the rat through most places and the only one where it felt like I was getting something from him that I wouldn't be getting form a random guard with pissorff was in slime pits simply because he can get more stacks on SMM so it goes faster. Slime Pits were a 0 problem dungeon even for a pissorff using berserker, but the rat did get it done quicker. A Gorgon in Taurog can do Vicious Steel using Pissorff (literally, that's what happened to me recently).

What I have seen from what you've been saying is that it might not have caught on with you yet that it's hard not to cheeze binlor because he's the obvious solution to most dungeons just for the glpyh, for anyone not just the rat (nobody but the rat needs the stoneskins, or the poking, just the glyph and maybe Crystal Ball). It sounds strange, I know, but can you imagine that to someone who's overused pissorff the rat feels like a less wieldly more gimmicky version? It's true. With him you're kinda working for a lower level solution mostly because of him, with everyone else because you just don't care. Lvl 3 is when the boss DROPS for an above average pissorf guy, not when you start the fight, he's a late gamer by PoS standards XD

I'm actually enjoying him, despite all my grumbling. Seems like a nicely gimped version of your average Pissorff spammer, and he's got actual downsides to explain why he can spam through resists, everbody else doesn't. I kinda have him in the same rank as a Pissorf using Berserker (well, one who ran into Mystera and got Mystic Balance, the rat's more powerful) - you'll still easily beat anything, but it's not just a cheatcode and there's at least some gameplay to it and stuff. You need to convert more stuff, find more stuff etc (not saying you need to do very much, just more than most others, others just spam through resists, munch whatever and refill with whatever and don't even care about their pissorf damage). Namtar's Lair and Demonic Library were much easier for any of the guys I ran in there who did the exact same thing (90% of guys) - not very hard for a rat, but a complete joke for not-a-rat spamming pissorf. The Rat is best played that way I find, at least against phys res dudes, it's cerainly the fastest, and he's really well made for it, the problem is that he's also got downsides.

Like, anyone at all can just fast forward through Cursed Oasis with Pissorff, you can either skip the wraith because you only get cursed when you ding and then you munch on whatever and you just spam down the dragon like a chump OR you can kill the wraith at lvls 1-2 because you go through it's resists and blink (it has laughable stats) and then easily kill the dragon. He can't really do either, nowhere nearly as easy. For anyone else with the glyph that dungeon is really a joke simply because of the glyph. Even an (orc) Monk, who's probably the only class which is actually really bad with the glyph, laughs at CO if you go that way. For the rat it's just not very difficult.

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Today's daily was an easy one, thought I'd get at least one high placing, but there's some tough customers out there.