Extreme East Spoiler and Discussion Thread

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[srid]

This really is one of the most silly and frustrating death I've seen in this game.
I mean getting stuck by a magical immune plant with 0 attack really sucks!
You do deserve the moral victory!

Since the plants came from plantation, it's quite normal that it wasn't a multiple of 10.

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Yeah, it makes sense why it's not a multiple of 10, I just wasn't thinking at the time. Such an ironic loss, though. Who is the bigger threat: 42 bosses in a row, or one leafy boi?

On the bright side, I've since found and reproduced the predictor error! The Unstable predictor doesn't know that the Sorcerer's Essence Transit applies before Unstable, so if you land a lethal Fireball and you would die except Essence Transit will save you, the game will show the Boom in red when it should be green. Retaliate / Manashield are not involved.

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I've been making Curious Scrooge attempts at Demonic Library. Out of six attempts:

One I killed the Avatar and made it back to the main dungeon (having positioned the Avatar by the stairs with ENDISWAL and PISORF), but was too drained to take on the subdungeon.
Three I killed the Avatar but couldn't make it back to the main dungeon.
One I reset at level 1 because the dungeon generator did that thing where it puts the altar you prepped behind a level 4 monster.
One I discovered while fighting the Avatar that if you cast WONAFYT in a room where every tile is a monster, it WEYTWUTS you with a random monster instead, and died as a result. (Thought I could harmlessly skip past that particular Bag o' Tricks use to get to the good stuff.)

Things I've learned:

You can, in fact, kill the Avatar without Piercing Wand as a purecaster.
Health is the limiting factor when fighting the Avatar, not mana -- maybe I should try Halfling Sorcerer? (Or just hope for Platemail.)
Curious Demonic Library is winnable consistently, not just on a particularly good run.
Magic Resist can still block Bag o' Tricks spells, so relying on it to WEYTWUT the Avatar to the stairs isn't really an option.
Once you know about the Unstable/Sorcerer predictor error, you can use it to get an edge in a ton of fights.
To win Curious Scrooge, you really need to 1. Put the Avatar by the stairs, and 2. Beat the Avatar without converting your Codex. If I can do both of those in one run, I think I can win Scrooge no matter how resource-drained I am otherwise.

[shade_of_ox]

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Current record on Demon Library Curious Scrooge is 6 kills in the boss parade out of 12. Or, "two ???'s away from getting back to the main dungeon with Double Avatar's Codex", depending on if you consider that closer to getting all 12 kills.

To take a break from that, decided to give Curious Dragon Isles a second try, and got a win! Wish I'd attempted Miser or Scrooge, very easy run thanks to CYDSTEPP.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np2KAeirZAE

I decided to give Curious Dragon Isles going for other badges alongside it. Just gotta prep Glowing Guardian for easy access, and--



Well nevermind then!

[srid]

By the way, watching your video I noticed some mistakes.
I don't know how you feel about pointing them out ? (some people don't like it, hope you don't mind)

For instance, you really threw away your shadenfreude potion. It gives 1 mana per damage taken, so after
drinking it you should be really careful about suffering enough damage on your next attack to refill 100% of your mana.

Because of the Codex + Platemail, you refilled about only 9 mana instead of 22!
You should have gone for a physical attack and get 22 mana back.

Also, given the amount of level ups and free refills, I'm wondering if it wouldn't be best to take an elf down there.

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Please do point them out! I'm glad to learn from the better players here; as I mentioned earlier, I really think my success with this build has been more due to Codex being really good than to particular skill with it on my part.

For the Schadenfreude thing, I realized my mistake as soon as it happened. Around the same time, I make two other silly mistakes. First, I forget I have Soul Orb, and spend a ton of time awkwardly playing around the Mana Burners with Entanglement when it's completely unnecessary to do so. Second, because I'm trying to fight several Entanglement targets simultaneously, I end up popping Getanderfix's burn stack, letting them spawn plants. So because of those, I got a bit frustrated, got a bit sloppy... and that's where the Schadenfreude mistake came in. I saw no damage taken on the predictor and went "Oh, it's not hurting me, so this won't waste my Schadenfreude" -- but of course, it was hurting me, Essence Transit was just masking the damage. So, yeah, even at the time I could see I was throwing pretty majorly in that section.

I'm so used to Sorcerers of Mystera going Gnome that I just sort of defaulted to that, since normally they have plenty of max mana anyhow and they're saving a bunch of glyph conversions for the end for Refreshment. But in Naga City, you're forced to convert most of the glyphs before going to the arena, and you're right, between the 13 Mana potions and 2 Schadenfreude potions and 3 walks back to the arena between waves and 5 natural level-ups and 3 Amulets of Yendor, you get so much free mana restores that there's no possible way Elf's max mana is worth less than Gnome's extra potions. You're absolutely right, Elf should work way better.

In fact, I gave it a shot and Elf Sorcerer did, in fact, work amazingly well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iusRyL2_bQk

The big mistake I remember from this run was using my Schadenfreudes while I had a fully-charged Crystal Ball that I'd completely forgotten about. I think it otherwise went very smoothly. Once again I'm doing the MA-EM-MA-EM pattern, which I know seems goofy but feels like it works super well here.

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