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Re: Preparations

Postby The Avatar on Sun Feb 05, 2012 8:07 pm

I'm pretty sure elite now makes every shop have an elite item too! How's that for bad?

But yeah, shop scroll is a rather lacking prep now...
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Re: Preparations

Postby Lujo on Sun Feb 05, 2012 9:44 pm

I can't count all the times I've thought that Holy Diver would be quite a nice exploration saving prep if it spawned the actual altar right next to your starting location. It would save exploration AND let you get boons right away, for deities that require taking their boons for piety gain.

If it spawned an EXTRA altar next to your starting location and make you insta worship, even better if not OP, and deffinitely OP with an Agnostic Collar prep (and having too many altars lets people stack way too much DR way too easily, so that has to be taken into consideration).
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Re: Preparations

Postby The Avatar on Sun Feb 05, 2012 9:50 pm

But that would encourage scumming! And that's what preps are supposed to stop...
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Re: Preparations

Postby Lujo on Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:13 pm

True, but how exactly DO you stop God scumming?

I mean, after they made a big move to discourage altar scumming shannenigans with the unlocked/appearing correlation introduced in the last patch, it took us guys about 12 seconds to start a thread about number crunching the optimal way to scum for gods in the new system.

I literally facepalmed when I saw the thread about "new strategy for strategic unlocks" as It was clear they didn't want us to keep doing it. And I was the guy who blew it out of sane limits in the first place :D

I mean, to keep going at it must've looked dumb from the point of view of the devs who wanted us to pisorff from jacking with the RNG to get optimal gods, but actually WAS pretty smart from the point of view of us degenerate hardcore vets who know how much of a difference an optimal god setup is.

And I did make a thread about letting us test gods in a more sensible manner.
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Re: Preparations

Postby Darvin on Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:29 pm

I literally facepalmed when I saw the thread about "new strategy for strategic unlocks" as It was clear they didn't want us to keep doing it.

The irony wasn't lost on me as I wrote that thread, either.

The devs are reworking the church preps, so if that's going to impact how we use deities (I strongly suspect it will) I'd like to wait for that before making more comments on deity scumming.
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Re: Preparations

Postby Lujo on Sun Feb 05, 2012 11:13 pm

Darvin wrote:
I literally facepalmed when I saw the thread about "new strategy for strategic unlocks" as It was clear they didn't want us to keep doing it.

The irony wasn't lost on me as I wrote that thread, either.

The devs are reworking the church preps, so if that's going to impact how we use deities (I strongly suspect it will) I'd like to wait for that before making more comments on deity scumming.


I thought it was especailly ironic because I sort of got chided for asking for more clear and obvious directions of what exactly they wanted us to test. Left to our own devices we tend to go for the cheeze 110% percent of the time :D

And yeah, they're probably aware of the slight problem ever since the "game rather more playable with only 2 gods, cheezy with 3" commuinty consensus :)
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Re: Preparations

Postby The Avatar on Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:31 am

Yeah...

I think letting you choose 1 or 2 of yout gods wouldn't be too bad...
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Re: Preparations

Postby fall_ark on Mon Feb 06, 2012 2:50 am

The Avatar wrote:Yeah...

I think letting you choose 1 or 2 of yout gods wouldn't be too bad...


Yeah, you got a fancy Church in your kingdom after all....A patron one wouldn't hurt too much.

Maybe selecting a patron god for your kingdom would block/anger some other gods? So that if you want an easy way for your preferred god, some deity combos become less rewarding.

Wait that doesn't stop scumming at all....or does it?
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Re: Preparations

Postby q 3 on Mon Feb 06, 2012 3:14 am

It just makes multiple profiles all the more essential. Speaking of which, it would be kind of nice to have the ability to copy existing profiles, even for non-min-maxing reasons.
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Re: Preparations

Postby Darvin on Mon Feb 06, 2012 3:25 am

Well, right now all our saves are on the cloud, but in the final version of the game we will have an offline save mode so one way or another we will be able to copy profiles.
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