Free mid-fight level up heal hack! Exploit untill they fix!

[Lujo]

[TigerKnee]

Not really funny.

Also I think you would have fainted if you saw the original Venom Dagger instead of the Venom Needle we have now.

[Lujo]

I saw the original, and didn't like it. And yes, it's not funny, it was ment to be "cyncism" used in the original philosophical sense which is to point out the obvious negative features of a generally socialy accepted concept while leaving room for light hearted departure from the norm, the way Diogenes used it in ancient greece. Its one of the cornerstones of comedy in it's "important social function" role, rather then the "for the lolz" one.

It's trolling, only with a purpose, and it's completely true. The Poison boon does work just as I've described, and what I've described is the reaction of someone who looks at it from a simple minded but clear perspective. The only thing it lacks is a sense of entitlement to the current poison boon, which I've replaced with a healty dose of ridicule and mock "help your buddies to a dirty trick" bit of bafoonery. It might be a good way to incite lurking casuals to give it a shot, and possibly post about it.

Having said that, I feel like anyone with the view of the Poison boon like the one described in the OP is probably more sensible than anyone whith a radicaly different one.

(And being what is probably the biggest publicly known Poison boon abuser, most of the ridicule is aimed at myslef, since it paints a load of my in-game sucess as a result of clicking on a "hack" button. Which I decided it was.)

[booooooze]

Now there's the Lujo I put on ignore!

[Lujo]

Don't worry, I'm compensating with what might turn out ot be an actually really usefull thread.

(Not that this one isn't - think about it for a minute and see if I'm wrong, or check out the "assorted thoughts" thread for the last post where trying to answer something Mr Bile said led me to conclude all this stuff. But the other thread is genuinely either wiki or sticky bait)

[Nandrew]

There's enough reliable sources of poison in the game for TT to be less than sensational.

Why is this a new thread?

[Lujo]

Honestly?

Couple of reasons:

1) I wanted to see what Darvin (who's better at level catapulting then I ever was) would say if he looked it from this perspective of direc comparison with the desired cost/effect/ease of use relation between the poison boon and the level up catapult techinque, since I'm making a broad thread about techniques. Having avatar and sidestepper, as well as Blovski and Fall_Ark at least chime in with "is my math bad, or am I right" would be really really interesting.

2) I wanted to see if it might incite other people to try the damned thing out, seein as regen fighting seems to confuse people, so I put it into relations I figured anyone can understand.

3) I finally found an explicit way to explain my exact beef with the Poison boon and it's power level, and also the mathematical (relations related) reason I've been ignoring the APHEELSICK glyhp and the assasins poisoning feature like the plague for a long while. Also other people's beef with the poison dagger, which I consider fine and everybody else doesn't seem to be hapy with.

4) We have threads with strange names turn into genuinely interesting threads before, and this one actually merits a discussion between pro's about the power level of the subject matter.

5) It's also rather like something someone who discovered Poison right now and thought outside the box would post in a newbie forum if there was one. Or so I believe.

[Lujo]

[Blovski]

I suppose I don't use it because I prep gods for most strategies and I can't prep TT atm : p Soon as I can I'll abuse the hell out of it. Also, I think it's an ability that's very very good against some bosses but completely useless against others (Tormented Soul, Frank, Blahblah, Bleaty) - so it's still a bit of a trade-off. I tend to use TT very end-game for popcorn XP boosts and potions but I guess I should branch out a bit.

(and as a dedicated catfighter/spiker who tends not to leave too much exploration space, I suppose it doesn't chime with my general gameplay style)

RE: Venom dagger - in my veto slot. Wouldn't be if I could activate/deactivate it to decide which hit to poison on.

Um, I do use apheelsick when it crops up - since it's unpreppable except as assassins (caster assassins being predicated on this one, really) it's very hard to rely on in most strategies though, and I tend to have a reliable damage spike lined up anyway.

[Lujo]

Hmmm, see, now I got something - it doesn't work against undead. Have to figure out how many of those are there and how does unlocking stuff increse their frequency.

As a dedicated cat-fighter, wouldn't you figure that saving exploration for what are essentially efortless mid fight level-ups at the boss be worth not squeezing every angle you ussually would? Because I'm a VERY dedicated and expirienced regen fighter but with the hack, erm, boon, I don't seem to have to devote too much thinking to stuff other than stacking my resists, finding the boss and getting poison.

I seem to lack the level-catapult-at-boss-fight skills because of overreliance on this. Which might also explain my natural grief with Namtar now that I think about it. I also sort of discovered the "Phys damage spike" while looking for a way to deal with -res guys as a TT paladin (and used it later for bleaty and the undead bosses). The cydsteppless variety, one with potions.