Sidestepper wrote:I've also noticed that Contemplate the Waters is now always present in the Western Forest, and that the Western Forest always has two dungeons. Not sure if that was intentional, but I kind of like it. Buy-in dungeons are way less aggravating when you know that they are there and can plan around it.
I'm kinda wondering how that happened. Don't think it's intentional.
Darvin wrote:Given that subdungeons are randomly chosen from a fairly large pool, it's very easy for us to fail to notice when one is taken out of circulation.
Yeah, I'm hoping that Sidestepper didn't actually stumble into it over the weekend ... though I've checked it now and it doesn't seem to be in the pool code-side anymore. So no worries, y'all shouldn't find it.
I think his point is that no-explore subdungeons are becoming more prevelant, even if the reward they give is more reasonable. Explorable subdungeons tend to be more predictable since even before you have located them you know there's some exploration resources there.
Makes sense in that regard, yeah, though we want subdungeons to be more spontaneous experiences overall. Spontaneous but fair. So just pulling up the socks on ones which are objectively much weaker overall.
How about a desecration-effect when you touch the altar; bonus piety and indulgences. That makes the subdungeon a little less dependent on the top-floor goat population, and a little more potent overall. If mana burn got swapped out for curse, then that would soften it up for most classes.
I'll give this one some thought.
Lujo wrote:Darvin mentioned something I'd love to get - indulgences. Very little ways to get them in game, very fun mechanic. Not necessarily a subdungeon thing, but I wouldn't mind an indulgence granting subdungeon, or item, or anything, really...
That's definitely an underexplored reward area, yeah.
The Avatar wrote:I think I found the mysterious potion replacement. The potion is flipped, and now it's guarded by a level 7 berserker.
Nah, not flipped, it's objectively more powerful. I just think that the berserker guardian may make the increased reward slightly muted right now.